Does anyone find Murray's H2H vs Rafa a little surprising?

kragster · 10-16-2012, 09:22 AM

I find that Murray's 5-13 H2H vs Rafa is somewhat surprising given that out of the 18 matches only 4 were on clay ( 3 grass, 11 HC). To compare, even prior to his amazing 2011 run, Djokovic led the hard court H2H vs Nadal even when he trailed by a large margin overall. I am not saying Murray should lead this H2H but I think he should get a lot closer than 5-13.

Murray has done much better vs Fed and Djokovic even if you discount the recent gains in 2012. Logically it would seem that Murray's game should match up well vs Nadals much better than it does vs Fed.

Thoughts?

90's Clay · 10-16-2012, 09:24 AM

Not really... Anything Murray can do, Nadal can do it 5 times better.. Rafa also has the nerves of steel while Murray 9 times out of 10 buckles under the pressure of big matches. Murray's main reason for a h2h over Roger (non slams mind you) is the fact that Fed is getting old.

Djoker-Murray is interesting. But generally Djoker is the victor there.

BrooklynNY · 10-16-2012, 09:27 AM

Not exactly. I don't see why logic dictates he would matchup well against Nadal. It's not like he consistently takes he ball on the rise, or keeps Rafa guessing by attacking net.

Murray can force Federer into erroring himself to death if Fed isn't playing perfectly. The same can be said for Nole, especially when he was mentally up and down.

Until Murray recently improved his aggression and his forehand, I don't think Murray really had anything to hurt Nadal with, and Nadal is less likely to beat himself than Fed or Nole is.

Just my thoughts..

6-1 6-3 6-0 · 10-16-2012, 09:31 AM

Nadal has a great head-to-head against all of the other top 4 players, and pretty much every other player. (H2Hs like 1-3 with Hrbaty, 5-6 with Davydenko and 0-1 with Rosol are hardly decisive.)

Can't see why this is surprising. The player with the most talent has the greater number of superior H2Hs with his 'rivals'.

Clarky21 · 10-16-2012, 09:37 AM

Their H2H will be turned around over the next few years. That's if Nadal ever even comes back.

batz · 10-16-2012, 09:44 AM

At the risk of being accused of cherry picking....

Since Murray made his first slam QF in July 2008, his record v Rafa on hards in not too shabby - he leads 5-4 overall, 1-1 in slams.

Mike Sams · 10-16-2012, 09:59 AM

Nadal/Murray matches on clay and hardcourt are generally fun to watch. Monte Carlo 2011 was very good. Too bad Murray was injured.

Sim · 10-16-2012, 10:02 AM

Not surprising to me. Murray doesn't have that "killer instinct" like Nole or Fed.

batz · 10-16-2012, 10:06 AM

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Not surprising to me. Murray doesn't have that "killer instinct" like Nole or Fed.

So you must find his head to head with Roger very surprising? Or maybe it surprises you to finad that Murray has the same number of slam wins over Rafa as 'killer instinct' Roger?

When was the last time Nole or Fed took a set off Rafa for the loss of 4 points?

BauerAlmeida · 10-16-2012, 10:17 AM

What surprises me is how easily Nadal wins. Every time they faced in a GS SF in the last years you could tell Nadal was going to win. And he always did, and pretty easily. Even in USO or Wimbledon. This was something I didn't see coming after the USO 2008.

RF20Lennon · 10-16-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 6-1 6-3 6-0

Nadal has a great head-to-head against all of the other top 4 players, and pretty much every other player. (H2Hs like 1-3 with Hrbaty, 5-6 with Davydenko and 0-1 with Rosol are hardly decisive.)

Can't see why this is surprising. The player with the most talent has the greater number of superior H2Hs with his 'rivals'.

Nadal the most talented??? Please don't kid yourself

norbac · 10-16-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by batz

At the risk of being accused of cherry picking....

Since Murray made his first slam QF in July 2008, his record v Rafa on hards in not too shabby - he leads 5-4 overall, 1-1 in slams.

2-1 in Slams. USO 2008, AO 2010 were victories for Murray. Nadal won at the USO last year.

batz · 10-16-2012, 10:58 AM

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2-1 in Slams. USO 2008, AO 2010 were victories for Murray. Nadal won at the USO last year.

How could I forget the USO 08 - doh! Thanks for the correction mate.

Towser83 · 10-16-2012, 10:58 AM

Murray has never been able to really dominate Nadal on Harcourt, and i am not talking about single matches i mean he's never led the head to head by very much, maybe one match. he's very even with Nadal on Harcourt where as djokovic has managed to lead Nadal by a lot. Murray will win matches, big ones but then get hammered by Nadal like in IW 2009. That was after Murray beat Nadal in a slam and was a big shock really. i would expect Murray to lead the Harcourt head to head but i think he's been too inconsistent to do it.

underground · 10-16-2012, 11:00 AM

I'm more surprised that Nadal was crap enough to be bagelled by Murray.

ledwix · 10-16-2012, 11:13 AM

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I'm more surprised that Nadal was crap enough to be bagelled by Murray.

Did you watch that set? Murray was in God mode; Nadal was just defending against an unstoppable force at the time.

batz · 10-16-2012, 11:31 AM

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I'm more surprised that Nadal was crap enough to be bagelled by Murray.

Bagelled for FOUR points.

DRII · 10-16-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RF20Lennon

Nadal the most talented??? Please don't kid yourself

Well, whatever you want to call it

something has allowed him to have the best record vs and amongst the other Big 4!

I beleive i was the first to point this out. Nadal is still not given enough credit for such a significant acomplishment...

Mainad · 10-16-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Murray's main reason for a h2h over Roger (non slams mind you) is the fact that Fed is getting old.

Fed must have been getting old ever since 2006 then.

Prisoner of Birth · 10-16-2012, 12:20 PM

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Fed must have been getting old ever since 2006 then.

He's been getting older since 1981.

10-16-2012, 09:22 AM	#1
kragster Professional Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,419	Does anyone find Murray's H2H vs Rafa a little surprising? I find that Murray's 5-13 H2H vs Rafa is somewhat surprising given that out of the 18 matches only 4 were on clay ( 3 grass, 11 HC). To compare, even prior to his amazing 2011 run, Djokovic led the hard court H2H vs Nadal even when he trailed by a large margin overall. I am not saying Murray should lead this H2H but I think he should get a lot closer than 5-13. Murray has done much better vs Fed and Djokovic even if you discount the recent gains in 2012. Logically it would seem that Murray's game should match up well vs Nadals much better than it does vs Fed. Thoughts?

10-16-2012, 09:37 AM	#5
Clarky21 G.O.A.T. Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 10,418	Their H2H will be turned around over the next few years. That's if Nadal ever even comes back. __________________ "Hopefully the Church of Fed will have mercy on my soul". - Namelessone "We are in the Fed warehouse(known as Nadal haters united)". - Namelessone

10-16-2012, 09:44 AM	#6
batz G.O.A.T. Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 12,273	At the risk of being accused of cherry picking.... Since Murray made his first slam QF in July 2008, his record v Rafa on hards in not too shabby - he leads 5-4 overall, 1-1 in slams. __________________ "If Murray were always good, he would not be so good." MixieP - Philosopher

10-16-2012, 10:17 AM	#10
BauerAlmeida Semi-Pro Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Argentina Posts: 566	What surprises me is how easily Nadal wins. Every time they faced in a GS SF in the last years you could tell Nadal was going to win. And he always did, and pretty easily. Even in USO or Wimbledon. This was something I didn't see coming after the USO 2008. __________________ There's no Dark Side of the Moon really, matter of fact it's all dark.

10-16-2012, 10:58 AM	#14
Towser83 Legend Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 7,620	Murray has never been able to really dominate Nadal on Harcourt, and i am not talking about single matches i mean he's never led the head to head by very much, maybe one match. he's very even with Nadal on Harcourt where as djokovic has managed to lead Nadal by a lot. Murray will win matches, big ones but then get hammered by Nadal like in IW 2009. That was after Murray beat Nadal in a slam and was a big shock really. i would expect Murray to lead the Harcourt head to head but i think he's been too inconsistent to do it. __________________ Federer, Djokovic, Delpo fan (also like Nalbandian, Dimitrov, Tsonga)