WTF Winner Will Be Player Of The Year???

stringertom · 10-19-2012, 11:33 PM

With the 4 slams split evenly, is it agreed that, should any of them win in London next month, that's the tiebreaker???

smoledman · 10-19-2012, 11:38 PM

No, Djokovic is player of the year by a WIDE margin!

Tony48 · 10-19-2012, 11:57 PM

No.

One guy made 3 slam finals. The other only made 1.

Prisoner of Birth · 10-19-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony48

No.

One guy made 3 slam finals. The other only made 1.

Murray made 2.

merlinpinpin · 10-20-2012, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by stringertom

With the 4 slams split evenly, is it agreed that, should any of them win in London next month, that's the tiebreaker???

Probably, yes--even if this doesn't decide the #1 ranking. (As long as it's either Djokovic, Federer or Murray who wins, of course.)

Sim · 10-20-2012, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

Murray made 2.

And he's won OG. I'm not sure who will win it though

5555 · 10-20-2012, 12:25 AM

In 2003 slams were split evenly between Roddick, Federer, Ferrero and Agassi. Federer won WTF.

What happened? The members of the ATP voted Roddick "Player of The Year."

merlinpinpin · 10-20-2012, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 5555

In 2003 slams were split evenly between Roddick, Federer, Ferrero and Agassi. Federer won WTF.

What happened? The members of the ATP voted Roddick "Player of The Year."

That's why I said "probably", because nothing is ever 100% sure. But if Federer ends up the year #2 at the ripe old age of 31, with 7 or 8 tournament wins on all four surfaces/conditions (Djokovic only won on *one* up till now), including Wimbledon and WTF, and breaking the 300-week mark during the year, I wouldn't bet against him being awarded this accolade by his peers.

joeri888 · 10-20-2012, 01:51 AM

I think you could make a case for it being close when Roger or Murray wins the WTF, but if Djokovic wins it's quite clear. I think rankings in the end are very fair. If Murray wins it he has won OG, WTF AND a slam, plus a final. That's the most big tournaments. If Roger wins, he's won a Slam, the WTF, a silver medal, 3 MS titles, and maybe 3 500's as well. That's a strong case too, but Roger has somewhat underperformed in Slams compared to the others.

It's quite close, and the rankings will reflect that. I think rankings ultimately are very fair in men's tennis.

batz · 10-20-2012, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by stringertom

With the 4 slams split evenly, is it agreed that, should any of them win in London next month, that's the tiebreaker???

Hey Tom - I hope you are well. I made exactly the point you are making after the USO. Of course, it all depends on how you want to measure POTY - many will argue that whoever finishes year end number 1 is, almost by definition, POTY - and it's a pretty compelling argument.

Others will say that there were 6 'big ones' up for grabs this year. If Roger wins WTF he'll have 2 of them - same as Murray. If Novak wins WTF then he'll have 2 of them - same as Murray, and if Rafa somehow wins WTF then he'll have 2 of them - same as Murray. But if Murray wins WTF then he'll have won 3 - half of the 'big ones' available; with the other half split between 3 players. That would be a reasonably strong argument for Murray being POTY despite only finishing 3rd in the rankings.

There's no slam dunk or right/wrong argument IMO - I think Nole is in pole position because in the event of a 'big ones' tie he has YE no1 and 3 slam finals to use in the tiebreaker!

It will be interesting to watch how things unfold.

Zildite · 10-20-2012, 02:56 AM

Last time the year end #1 didn't win ATP Player Of The Year was 1989, right? Quite stuck in their ways.

NatF · 10-20-2012, 02:56 AM

The WTF would be the tie breaker in my opinion. Murray won the Gold but he hasn't done nearly as well in the Masters series as the others. So I think in terms of achievements Nole = Roger > Andy.

No1e · 10-20-2012, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by NatF

The WTF would be the tie breaker in my opinion. Murray won the Gold but he hasn't done nearly as well in the Masters series as the others. So I think in terms of achievements Nole = Roger > Andy.

Nole > Roger > Andy. Roger has not done nearly as well in slams as Nole.

NatF · 10-20-2012, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by No1e

Nole > Roger > Andy. Roger has not done nearly as well in slams as Nole.

Yeah ok thats fair enough. Although Roger has won more titles. I do agree Nole has had a superior tournament in the big events.

BauerAlmeida · 10-20-2012, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

Murray made 2.

And Nadal.

Steve0904 · 10-20-2012, 06:42 AM

All 3 of them are deserving. If Nole wins the WTF then it is without question. If Andy wins, then he'll have 3 of the "big ones," but his year hasn't been nearly as consistent, and he has no M1000 titles unless he wins Paris, and even if he does win Paris I'm not sure. In Roger's case, it's quite impressive he's even in this discussion at his age. I don't mean to sound biased, but the truth is, that's the tiebreaker for me. Novak should be #1 right now. There was no way he was going to replicate 2011, but he's done very well. He perhaps should've won more than he did. Federer has done things this year that a lot of people didn't think he could, myself included. I knew he could win a slam, but getting back to #1 was another matter. Couple that with his general motivation to win 500's and 1000's, and that's even more surprising.

Mainad · 10-20-2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony48

No.

One guy made 3 slam finals. The other only made 1.

This year in Slam finals:

Djokovic = 3 (AO, FO & USO). Won AO.
Murray = 2 (Wimbledon & USO). Won USO.
Nadal = 2 (AO & FO). Won FO.
Federer = 1 (Wimbledon). Won.

No1e · 10-20-2012, 06:57 AM

Nole 1 W + 2 F + 1 SF
Murray 1 W + 1 F + 1 SF + 1 QF
Nadal 1 W + 1 F + 1 Rd 2
Fed 1 W + 2 SF + 1 QF

It's clear that Djokovic has done much better than anyone else in slams.

Steve0904 · 10-20-2012, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by No1e

Nole 1 W + 2 F + 1 SF
Murray 1 W + 1 F + 1 SF + 1 QF
Nadal 1 W + 1 F + 1 Rd 2
Fed 1 W + 2 SF + 1 QF

It's clear that Djokovic has done much better than anyone else in slams.

Everybody knows this, and even though the slams are obviously the most important events on the calendar, they are not the only ones. Murray has the OG, Federer himself won a silver, and Novak did not win a medal, we also don't know about the WTF yet which is an event trumped only by the slams. It could be called the "indoor" slam for all intents and purposes. There is also the point that if Roger or Novak can win Paris, one of them will finish with 4 1000 titles, and the other will finish with 3. Novak has had the most consistent year. Nobody disputes that, but it's far from a consensus that it's been the "best."

No1e · 10-20-2012, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve0904

Everybody knows this, and even though the slams are obviously the most important events on the calendar, they are not the only ones. Murray has the OG, Federer himself won a silver, and Novak did not win a medal, we also don't know about the WTF yet which is an event trumped only by the slams. It could be called the "indoor" slam for all intents and purposes. There is also the point that if Roger or Novak can win Paris, one of them will finish with 4 1000 titles, and the other will finish with 3. Novak has had the most consistent year. Nobody disputes that, but it's far from a consensus that it's been the "best."

Reread what I wrote, and you will shut up.

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