WTF Winner Will Be Player Of The Year???

[merlinpinpin]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

The French Open never had 5 of the top 6 withdraw as was the case at the 2005 YEC. Nalbandian the eventual winner was something like the 3rd alternate this year to even play, lol!

No. Just no. When you get your tennis "knowledge" out of wikipedia, at least try and read the damn thing right.

[Gonzo_style]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

If it's that easy, why hasn't Nadal won one yet? And when was the last time 3 claycourt specialists made it into the top 8? Either way, you still need to face 2 absolute top players in the SF and F.

Puerta, Gaudio, Coria and Gonzalez in 2005! Federer beat Gaudio 6:0 6:0 in SF LOL!

[merlinpinpin]

Originally Posted by Gonzo_style

Puerta, Gaudio, Coria and Gonzalez in 2005! Federer beat Gaudio 6:0 6:0 in SF LOL!

Methinks you forgot Nadal.

Puerta should never have been there, though, so this kind of evens things out, I guess.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

Would you deny that it's the 5th biggest tournament in a normal Tennis Calendar year? I don't see anybody here suggesting it's half as big as any of the Slams.

I would rate the WTF, Olympics, and Davis Cup all basically equal so the 5th-7th biggest tournament of the year. Davis Cup is similar to the WTF in that it has alot of prestige to what it used to be, while the Olympics has increased as time has gone on. The way I see it currently:

Wimbledon/U.S Open/French Open
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Australian Open

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David Cup or Fed Cup/WTF or WTA Championships/Olympic
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Miami/Rome
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All other Masters or Premier Mandatory



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Premier Non Mandatory or 500 events


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Everything Else

[Gonzo_style]

Originally Posted by merlinpinpin

Methinks you forgot Nadal.

Puerta should never have been there, though, so this kind of evens things out, I guess.

Nadal did not play on TMC 2005.

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by Gonzo_style

Puerta, Gaudio, Coria and Gonzalez in 2005! Federer beat Gaudio 6:0 6:0 in SF LOL!

Gonzalez isn't a CC specialist. Try again.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by Gonzo_style

Puerta, Gaudio, Coria and Gonzalez in 2005! Federer beat Gaudio 6:0 6:0 in SF LOL!

Yes that years event had to be the biggest joke in history. I remember watching some of the early matches and being so bored I turned it off and didnt bother again until the final. Thankfully Nalbandian vs Federer saved the event somewhat.

[Gonzo_style]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

Gonzalez isn't a CC specialist. Try again.

Why? You have Puerta, Coria and Gaudio (also Gonzalez's best surface is clay, but nevermind) and you ask for 3 clay courters...

[90's Clay]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

It is all the more special because the entry is far more select. You need to earn your spot in the WTF by being one of the best players for the past year. That makes it special.

And your last line doesn't make much sense to me. Nobody said the WTF is as important as any Slam. But you seem to be suggesting the AO means more than Wimbledon or the US Open just because it's at the start of the year.

The slams are all equally as important nowadays.. Obviously. You dont have multiple players withdrawing from slams like you do the YEC. It was the other poster who mentioned a slam.. I wasn't even talking slams.. I was talking the YEC in general which has lost significant importance over the years.. At least to years before


1. The WTF is at the end of the year, when players are looking for a break
2. Players are withdrawing from the YEC all the time over the years.

The last tournament of REAL importance at the end of the year is the USO IMO.

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by Gonzo_style

Why? You have Puerta, Coria and Gaudio (also Gonzalez's best surface is clay, but nevermind) and you ask for 3 clay courters...

By your definition, Federer's a Claycourt specialist too.

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

The slams are all equally as important nowadays.. Obviously. You dont have multiple players withdrawing from slams like you do the YEC. It was the other poster who mentioned a slam.. I wasn't even talking slams.. I was talking the YEC in general which has lost significant importance over the years.. At least to years before


1. The WTF is at the end of the year, when players are looking for a break
2. Players are withdrawing from the YEC all the time over the years.

The last tournament of REAL importance at the end of the year is the USO IMO.

You must think there are just 4 important tournaments.

[Gonzo_style]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

By your definition, Federer's a Claycourt specialist too.

What is Gonzo best surface for you?I'm a big fan of Gonzo and i know that his favourite surface is CLAY!

[Gonzo_style]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

The slams are all equally as important nowadays.. Obviously. You dont have multiple players withdrawing from slams like you do the YEC. It was the other poster who mentioned a slam.. I wasn't even talking slams.. I was talking the YEC in general which has lost significant importance over the years.. At least to years before


1. The WTF is at the end of the year, when players are looking for a break
2. Players are withdrawing from the YEC all the time over the years.

The last tournament of REAL importance at the end of the year is the USO IMO.

You forgot Davis Cup final.

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by Gonzo_style

What is Gonzo best surface for you?I'm a big fan of Gonzo and i know that his favourite surface is CLAY!

Favorite is different from best. I'd say rebound Ace.

Even if Clay were his best surface, he wouldn't be a CC specialist because he's (almost) equally good on Hards too.

[Gonzo_style]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

Favorite is different from best. I'd say rebound Ace.

Even if Clay were his best surface, he wouldn't be a CC specialist because he's (almost) equally good on Hards too.

Because AO 2007? Gonzo said that his best chance for GS title is RG 2009!

You have much more tournaments on HC than CC!

[RF20Lennon]

Originally Posted by No1e

Nole 1 W + 2 F + 1 SF
Murray 1 W + 1 F + 1 SF + 1 QF
Nadal 1 W + 1 F + 1 Rd 2
Fed 1 W + 2 SF + 1 QF

It's clear that Djokovic has done much better than anyone else in slams.

I agree nole is far ahead! But Fed has more titles and won a silver and they both are level at masters and GS won! so if either of them win the WTF I think it should go to them

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by Gonzo_style

Because AO 2007? Gonzo said that his best chance for GS title is RG 2009!

You have much more tournaments on HC than CC!

I don't know, from what I see, Gonzalez just isn't a claycourt specialist. For me a claycourt specialist is someone who has success on clay and not even half that success on any other surface. Gonzalez definitely isn't that.

[Gonzo_style]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

I don't know, from what I see, Gonzalez just isn't a claycourt specialist. For me a claycourt specialist is someone who has success on clay and not even half that success on any other surface. Gonzalez definitely isn't that.

Gonzo won 8 tournaments on CC and 3 on HC! Gonzo played AO final, yeah, Nalbandian played W final 2002 , but he isn't a GC specialist!

[NadalAgassi]

I think Gonzalez is a slow court specialist, being it Roland Garros or the slower courts of the Australian Open or the slow Olympic hard courts he did well on. Definitely not a fast court player. He played the best tennis match of his life in Madrid 2005 vs Ivan Ljubicic and still lost a 6-4, 2-0, 40-15 lead despite playing perfectly, doing nothing wrong, and making only about 2 unforced errors the last set and half. That was his best ever chance to win a Masters too. Even his very best on a fast court is not good enough.

[Gonzo_style]

Originally Posted by RF20Lennon

I agree nole is far ahead! But Fed has more titles and won a silver and they both are level at masters and GS won! so if either of them win the WTF I think it should go to them

Masters final - 600 ATP points

OG final - 400 ATP points