Serve help- Hey TT

[zapvor]

Originally Posted by bt johnson

I have no idea what level dude is but if he is ALTA A-5 then a double bagel is in order. What's your home court Bruce Lee?

oh yea its coming together. i see some guy trying to get out of this though

[Timbo's hopeless slice]

hmmm, you guys really think BT is 5.0 - 5.5?

ok, probably just the video effect.

I do wonder if he is going to multi bagel 5263, though.

I think he might be a bit more dangerous than his stated level suggests.

[LeeD]

Yeah, some of BT's vids of hitting suggest just 5.0 for sure, but it's miles above the other posters on here right now. A mile is more than a full level, in my book. The hitting is fine, the stuff in between just bugs me, how slow they move, how much they need the opponent to hit it in and back to them, that stuff. They haven't shown movement, adaptability, balance, at all.
OTOH, they are better than most vids here. At least it's not contrived for the camera frenetic contrived footwork.
I suspect 5263 can play at lower 5's, so it might not be the triple bagel.

[zapvor]

someones going to be a puss and bail out

[5263]

Originally Posted by zapvor

oh yea its coming together. i see some guy trying to get out of this though

I've known instigators before, and had to whip a couple of guys in HS due to someone
like you stirring the pot, lol.

Hey, but you are just instigating a tennis match and thats cool, and how could it
be bad. I love to play and I guess he does, so as long as he can be laid back
about it and willing to make a new tennis friend...it's all good. Communication
on here is tough and he seems sort of snarley, but We may get along great
in person. I never meant speaking of his level as an insult. I just
thought Lee was dreaming listing this guy as a 5.0+ and I am more convinced of mid
to low 4.5 after this vid....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpUdL...e&noredirect=1

..I guessed he was A5, which is low to mid 4.5 on avg., but
don't know why he thought I was at that level??
I WAS at that level about 15 yrs ago and took a city championship
plate there before getting bumped to A3 and as city finalists,
getting bumped to A1 for another City Championship season etc...

I'd love to play bt and see what he's got. If he's way better than I see in the
vid, then I'd be glad to share that with you guys. It would show me that vid effect
is even tougher to acct for than I thought, even though I've watched quite
a bit of vid thru the yrs working with jrs.
Donald Young tennis center is good if you want to come south or I can come up
there. I know we would both love to bagel the other, but keeping it friendly
is the only way to do something like this , right?

[LeeD]

Please read LeeD's post 83.
That was the first HITTING I"d seen of BT.
Watching thousands of players in my 30 years, I"ve never seen anyone with the poise and form of BT's serve without them being at least a 5-5.5. I've seen plenty of guys with WORSE motions playing 5-5.5.
And I"ve never even seen 5263 hit or play. But based on his knowledge of the game, at least he knows the strategy he likes to teach and play, so he's no duffer either.
And some newbie here posted that I don't play tennis, I just read books about tennis. That is the stupidest thing ever said about me. I hate reading for comprehension, I went from 4.0 to 1.8 by the time I was a senior in high school, and couldn't even finish 3 semesters of junior college. Why? Not because I'm a dummy, but because I refused to take home a book ever, from 7th grade to 3rd semester college. I don't learn by books, I learn from doing the sport.

[Power Player]

I like where this is going. 5263 is down for the challenge. I didn't really see 5.0 hitting in that vid honestly, but we all have our bad days.

Early vegas line has 5263 with a smooth 2 set victory.

[zapvor]

Originally Posted by 5263

I've known instigators before, and had to whip a couple of guys in HS due to someone
like you stirring the pot, lol.

Hey, but you are just instigating a tennis match and thats cool, and how could it
be bad. I love to play and I guess he does, so as long as he can be laid back
about it and willing to make a new tennis friend...it's all good. Communication
on here is tough and he seems sort of snarley, but We may get along great
in person. I never meant speaking of his level as an insult. I just
thought Lee was dreaming listing this guy as a 5.0+ and I am more convinced of mid
to low 4.5 after this vid....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpUdL...e&noredirect=1

..I guessed he was A5, which is low to mid 4.5 on avg., but
don't know why he thought I was at that level??
I WAS at that level about 15 yrs ago and took a city championship
plate there before getting bumped to A3 and as city finalists,
getting bumped to A1 for another City Championship season etc...

I'd love to play bt and see what he's got. If he's way better than I see in the
vid, then I'd be glad to share that with you guys. It would show me that vid effect
is even tougher to acct for than I thought, even though I've watched quite
a bit of vid thru the yrs working with jrs.
Donald Young tennis center is good if you want to come south or I can come up
there. I know we would both love to bagel the other, but keeping it friendly
is the only way to do something like this , right?

oh snap! i thought you would run away and ignore this thread.

now let's see what BT is like?

[LeeD]

But we haven't seen 5263 hitting, either. He could be injured, limping, maybe on his deathbed.
As for BT, he doesn't look all that different than the Canadian player trying to hit with Nalbandian. He's hitting better, but against WHOM?
Most of us would freeze hitting with Nalby.

[5263]

Originally Posted by LeeD

But we haven't seen 5263 hitting, either. He could be injured, limping, maybe on his deathbed.
As for BT, he doesn't look all that different than the Canadian player trying to hit with Nalbandian. He's hitting better, but against WHOM?
Most of us would freeze hitting with Nalby.

Lee, I assure I would not overly impress in a vid, but my playing record (usually
at #1 dubs with a partner that I train) is loaded with undefeated seasons.
I don't consider myself a singles player due mainly to age and not being at a
good singles playing weight, but even so have a heck of a singles record against
very good jrs and college players (about the only singles I play) anyway.

[LeeD]

Well, most players labelled.."he's no duffer either".....
That's pretty much condemnation of at least 4.5-5.0 levels, isn't it. It is in my book.
Our problem is our age, for singles anyways. At 27, I was pretty much considered a lower level Open player, or a true rising B.
Now at 63, I can realistically rate myself atop 3.5 only, since I can't run, and play once a week.
I'd imagine you can run, and also play more than once a week.

[bhupaes]

5263, if I were you, I would hit deep down the middle balls because anyone who's read your posts will be looking for heavy short balls landing in the smart targets area, and this will shock and confuse the heck out of them! How's that for strategy playing against TT readers? (Just joking, of course!)

[zapvor]

Originally Posted by 5263

Lee, I assure I would not overly impress in a vid, but my playing record (usually
at #1 dubs with a partner that I train) is loaded with undefeated seasons.
I don't consider myself a singles player due mainly to age and not being at a
good singles playing weight, but even so have a heck of a singles record against
very good jrs and college players (about the only singles I play) anyway.

you have advantage now. dont post vid to give him idea of your playing level

[5263]

Originally Posted by zapvor

you have advantage now. dont post vid to give him idea of your playing level

Hey, I know you are enjoying this, but I feel sort of bad about it. I made a post
about his toss and he got smart about it and then a comment to Lee about his
level, because I thought Lee was way off, but not intended to offend. I really
expected he was a *mid to high* A alta player. Timbo has it right and there is a
big video effect and I could be way off, but I was very surprised he says he is
AA1....which is the highest level of Atlanta ALTA tennis.

AA1 is usually reserved not only for college players, but the better college and
former challenger level players imo. Most avg college level players play AA2 or AA3,
with many playing well down the levels.
What those of you not familiar with alta might not know is your can play well
below your level in Alta. It is based more on the overall team level vs your
individual level. An AA3 player can drop down and play on a A5 team in his
neighborhood and it will affect the teams level, but not always so much. You
could be playing at B1 and face a pair of former college players in the #1 spot...and
it happens quite frequently. That is the strange thing about alta is that he could
be a legit AA1 player as he says and still take a whipping from a A5 player...straight up,
and I'm surprised he doesn't know that??
Right or wrong...that is ALTA and it is very popular, pushing 100,000 in membership.

[zapvor]

i know how huge tennis is down in atl so i am interested. i know you had good intentions, but he also had big words to say, so. looks like he hasnt come back in here though,haha

[TonLars]

I dont like to be negative, but Im going to have to say that this is certainly not a 5.0 or above player from the baseline. Just my observation based on my experience. Feel free to disagree or post results.

[TennisNinja]

Originally Posted by TonLars

I dont like to be negative, but Im going to have to say that this is certainly not a 5.0 or above player from the baseline. Just my observation based on my experience. Feel free to disagree or post results.

You know, I have to agree. It seems like too many routine balls are missed and there are some that I saw that were just dumped into the bottom of the net, or even hit the court before hitting the net. That said, there were some good rips.

[Cheetah]

Sorry OP, not trying to offend you at all...
Kudos to you for posting vid of your serve and strokes. Good luck w/ your improvement.

but..

LeeD, 5.0? 5.5?? OP is certainly not a 5.0. I agree with 5263's rating. Low to mid 4.5

[Power Player]

I hit with a 5.0 last night - ex college player. the rallies lasted 20-40 balls. Rallying with a 5.0 should be very easy and the only challenge is not to get worn out from hitting so many balls in a row.

[LeeD]

I cited the guy hitting with Nalbandian.
Can any of us even suspect he's a 5.5? Well, Nalby maybe, but that practice partner barely looked better than high school.
Guess what? He's an open player hitting really poorly!
What I saw in BT's vid I already stated. Looked bad. However, I've also just hit with #2 for Harvard, when he was still there, and he can have off moments too.
Kinda takes 2 to tango. If one player is waaay off and not really ready to try, it affects the other guy. I know this have never happenned to YOU.