Evert - Sue Barker video - Page 2

kiki · 11-15-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dannykl

Yes Sue's forehand is quite good with that old-fashioned racket.
Very few big forehand at that time.

It's interesting that so few top women players really have an outstanding top-tier forehand.

More women have an top-tier backhand but not forehand. For example Hingis, Serena, Seles, Evert.

Henin, Lindsay and Martina N have relatively balanced high quality forehand and backhand.Still their forehand is not at the same league as Graf. Actually although their forehands are great, they are still far behind the first-class standard of Graf's.

We normally have many competitors for best backhands in each era but when think of forehand, the shortlist is much limited and it's usually like Court for 60's, Barker for 70's and Graf from the 80's.

Is it because it's more difficult to develop and master a standing out first class forehand than a backhand? Why we see more top class backhand candidates in the backhand department(Seles, Serena, Hingis, Henin, Evert, Sabatini....) but only very limited candidates for best forehand(Court for 60's, Barker for 70's and Graf from 80's)?

Very interesting, and you are right...Vicario,Novotna and some others not mentioned (Cawley,King) had better BH than FH.But in the FH side, you forgot Mandlikova, on of the greatest all time FH (men and women)

Joe Pike · 11-15-2011, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kiki

Very interesting, and you are right...Vicario,Novotna and some others not mentioned (Cawley,King) had better BH than FH.But in the FH side, you forgot Mandlikova, on of the greatest all time FH (men and women)

And what about Lloyd and Mill?

kiki · 11-19-2011, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Pike

And what about Lloyd and Mill?

What has this to see with the thread?

PDJ · 10-24-2012, 01:30 AM

Sue Barker was somewhat overshadowed by Wade, and the British press, then & now, piled the pressure on her and her nerves were brittle at the best of times. That said, when 'on' she was a joy to watch. She was also stunning to look at, which actually probably didn't help as this also gave her considerable media attention. Interestingly, whilst rarely troubling Evert (although she did beat her) she gave Austin fits. And now she's a very successful, and popular, presenter for the BBC so it's all worked out for a lady who seems very genuine & likeable.

kiki · 10-24-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BTURNER

Between Margaret Court's great forcing forehand drive and Graf's amazing weapon, there were few more noted for that stroke, than Sue Barker of GB, who was steady enough to win a depleted field '76 RG. and got to the the semi's of W and Australia twice and was ranked #3 in the world. she has 11 singles titles to her name and 12 doubles per Wiki, including 2 grass, 5 clay and 4 carpet. . I had never seen her play before. while this match was not particularly competitive, you do get to see that shot. Post Graf, it may look second rate, but for its day, it really was impressive to hit winners on clay past a top form Evert. This shot had some real pop but the back hand mishits. Sue isn't steady enough for Evert and she is definitely slower but she puts heart into retreiving and courage into her strokes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwDgx...&feature=feedu

Ruzici!!! and her cc record is quite better than Sue's
H2H?

PDJ · 10-24-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kiki

Ruzici!!! and her cc record is quite better than Sue's
H2H?

Ruzici certainly had a good forehand, and more consistent than Barker, but the latter probably (when firing on all cylinders) was regarded by most players as the best around at that time (1976-77). Evert said so herself in an interview with the BBC a few years ago.

hoodjem · 10-24-2012, 02:20 PM

Sue Barker--Anabel Croft she ain't.

NadalAgassi · 10-24-2012, 02:43 PM

I wonder why Sue Barker stopped being a contender after 1977.

Dan Lobb · 10-24-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

I wonder why Sue Barker stopped being a contender after 1977.

She continued to play well through 1979, and won a big event in 1981.

kiki · 10-24-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Lobb

She continued to play well through 1979, and won a big event in 1981.

Which was it?

I guess she and Wade retired along together....

PDJ · 04-30-2013, 03:01 AM

Barker won Brighton beating US champion Tracy Austin along the way. It gleaned considerable press at the time. As I said before, she could be amazing to watch. Very popular in Australia apparently. Her forehand was anything but second rate. Graf did have the benefit of modern technology.
And Barker appears very happy in life, incredibly successful presenter (the lynchpin of BBC London Olympics). I'd say she is a winner in life- something I'm not sure that many of her contemporaries are? The girl's done good.

rosewallGOAT · 05-07-2013, 05:21 AM

I am surprised Sue Barker with her very powerful groundstrokes and strong mental will never achieved more. I guess her lack of court movement hurt her. It was also dissapointing how her career fell off so badly after hitting her peak in 1977, still at quite a young age. Not sure what happened to her after that.

BTURNER · 05-07-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rosewallGOAT

I am surprised Sue Barker with her very powerful groundstrokes and strong mental will never achieved more. I guess her lack of court movement hurt her. It was also dissapointing how her career fell off so badly after hitting her peak in 1977, still at quite a young age. Not sure what happened to her after that.

Not sure grass was kind to her game. Her backhand was a relative weakness as well, especially as a passing shot.

bluetrain4 · 05-07-2013, 03:43 PM

Great stuff. Never knew much about her. Always knew her as a presenter.

Nice to see some players beyond the greats of an era.

The strokes and pace are impressive. Evert had a great overhead with that tiny racquet.

10-24-2012, 01:30 AM	#24
PDJ Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 328	Sue Barker was somewhat overshadowed by Wade, and the British press, then & now, piled the pressure on her and her nerves were brittle at the best of times. That said, when 'on' she was a joy to watch. She was also stunning to look at, which actually probably didn't help as this also gave her considerable media attention. Interestingly, whilst rarely troubling Evert (although she did beat her) she gave Austin fits. And now she's a very successful, and popular, presenter for the BBC so it's all worked out for a lady who seems very genuine & likeable. __________________ Whoever said, "It's not whether you win or lose that counts," probably lost. Martina Navratilova

10-24-2012, 02:20 PM	#27
hoodjem Legend Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bierlandt Posts: 9,964	Sue Barker--Anabel Croft she ain't. __________________ The smart man thinks he knows a lot; the wise man is aware that he knows little.

04-30-2013, 03:01 AM	#31
PDJ Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 328	Barker won Brighton beating US champion Tracy Austin along the way. It gleaned considerable press at the time. As I said before, she could be amazing to watch. Very popular in Australia apparently. Her forehand was anything but second rate. Graf did have the benefit of modern technology. And Barker appears very happy in life, incredibly successful presenter (the lynchpin of BBC London Olympics). I'd say she is a winner in life- something I'm not sure that many of her contemporaries are? The girl's done good. __________________ Whoever said, "It's not whether you win or lose that counts," probably lost. Martina Navratilova

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