RTT Academy (Dave Rineberg) vs Macci, IMG the others

[Bash and Crash]

Originally Posted by TCF

....nothing but decent coaching available for $75/hour.

Dang I was hoping to charge more TCF because I realized I teach many of the same things as Heath. I do like his website, like to see if there is something I'm missing. 

Originally Posted by TCF

In reality it has lots more to do with the kids....they would have won under a solid coach charging much less. Just like Macci's kids and all the rest of the big named coaches.

I always tell students parents that my goal is for them to leave me at 13-14 to train elsewhere, figure it's my job to lay the foundation early and at a reasonable price.

[Nostradamus]

Ricci Macci, this guy is a fricking genius. His frame by frame shot analysis of the great shots in tennis magazine is Legendary and perhaps the GOAT of all analysis. His Warinka backhand in Tennis magazine has enable me to hit my backhand just like Warinka.

[TennisCoachIN]

Originally Posted by ga tennis

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Hey ga tennis... I haven't posted much to this site, but I have enjoyed your posts along with others. I have an 8 year old girl and I was hoping to contact you in regards to some of the up and downs you have gone through in her development.

I read your most recent post and seems to be deleted, so hope I'm not too late.

Thanks to your time.

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by Bash and Crash

Damn, that's a nice little extra pocket change, $100hr to watch them teach....amazing I think I will start at $25

No - it seems to be $100/day. That is what surprised me. $250 per hour for a 1-on-1 but you can lounge on a chair the whole day watching him coach a number of juniors for $100?

I suspect that people will be ashamed and not do it more than once. Imagine a guy who shows up with his kid everyday and sits besides the court the whole day. He cannot keep it up.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by TCF

Rick Macci is an amazing coach. Relates to kids as well as anyone. Explains things as well as anyone. Has an open mind and constantly updates his knowledge of the game.

The only problem I have with him is he is still using that he taught Williams sisters and Roddick and Capriati 20-25 years ago as his calling card to justify charging $300-400/hour.

But I will take a guy who uses way back when to sell his services to parents over a guy who speaks in riddles and implies he was the primary coach for players when he was not, any day.

At least with Macci parents get the facts....he coached those famous players as kids. Then they can decide if he is worth the money or not. In my opinion the answer is no, but at least there is no funny business in regards to his claims.

Why does Venus's forehand technically suck ? didn't macci work on that too ?

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by Le Tenis

I said "more reasonable" not reasonable. pros around here usually charge $90-125 since they have to pay for indoor court time more than half of the year...

Originally Posted by Le Tenis

TCF where else could one go in FL to get reasonably priced top quality instruction from someone who is great with under 10 kids (as good as Macci)? Please include yourself in the list if possible !

I know I don't say it a lot, but I'm with Brad on this issue. With all the resources and technology out there, there is no need to shell out big $ for privates at such a young age. Even a non-player parent can bring an 8 year old along well until 12, then go the expensive coach for refinement. Many top pros learned from parents and in groups/clubs and had private coaches later.

On the other hand, if you're rich... carry on.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by Le Tenis

That is very very kind of you! I will definitely take you up on that ! Aiming for the stars...

Good to hear , that was my motto aim for the stars "pros" and a D1 ride would be a easy clintch , 10yrs later presto , I know that you are the most important part of your childs development and the success , If you desire and have the time you can develop your own child to whatever level you desire and I highly encourage that !

Best to you and your child on your journey to the top.

Most important is you start mentally setting the ground rules asap getting your child to believe its you guys against the rest of the world and all you have to do is read TW bloges and you will know its true so as soon as you can start setting your child into reality mode.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Good to hear , that was my motto aim for the stars "pros" and a D1 ride would be a easy clintch

That has been your motto? I thought it was "Pro or bust".

That makes irrelevant or superfluous the points in about a zillion posts here, particularly by those who have been advising that college would provide wonderful opportunities....athletic, academic, and social

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by TCF

Brad, you are the best by far. A dad says he wants to shoot for the stars and produce a top pro player and you jump right in to the rescue as if you have developed tons of pro players.

Your results are a girl who quit tennis at age 10 and a boy who has yet to dominate the top ITF juniors, let alone become a top professional player.

Yet you never fail to talk like you are Richard Williams, Mr. Agassi, and Mr. Woods all rolled into one!

Classic stuff my man.

Once again development definition escapes you , listen up "not trying to dominate jrs". And haven't aimed to rule the ITF , the travel to dominate the ITF would be ridiculous .

Here's a fair question information man "who have you developed" answer No one and you have been coaching a long time ,me , quit working with the MMA guys and took a kid from scratch and have him top 10nationally without trying that hard .

You can put up some video of anything you have done or you just remind me of and encyclopedia "lots of info" and a set is worth about 300:00 dollars .

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

That has been your motto? I thought it was "Pro or bust".

That makes irrelevant or superfluous the points in about a zillion posts here, particularly by those who have been advising that college would provide wonderful opportunities....athletic, academic, and social

Ok let me help you to comprehend , we are aiming for the pros allways have been and if we Fail then we come hang with all the rest who have Failed , what's wrong with that way of thinking ?

As for college we pour more money into education here in the US and the top Ivy leaue colleges run Washington DC and look at the predicament were in with all the smart guys in charge so when you exalt education you should do it with humilty with the tract record higher ed has done to this country .

The 2nd paragraph is full of common sense and logic.

[sureshs]

College tuition up again is the news today. Ridiculous.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Ok let me help you to comprehend , we are aiming for the pros allways have been and if we Fail then we come hang with all the rest who have Failed , what's wrong with that way of thinking ?

As for college we pour more money into education here in the US and the top Ivy leaue colleges run Washington DC and look at the predicament were in with all the smart guys in charge so when you exalt education you should do it with humilty with the tract record higher ed has done to this country .

The 2nd paragraph is full of common sense and logic.

Ya know....I don't doubt that Deit has the work-ethic or potential athletic ability (potential) to make it as a top pro.

If he doesn't make it, I will attribute it to your self-centered, condescending attitude that reeks more of insecurity than confidence. Maybe there are famous coaches out there who conduct themselves the way you do, and if so, I am sure people will point them out to me. But your attitude....as exemplified solely by your posts, since I do not know you from Adam.....is just the epitome of a negative role model for a professional champ.

Deit, you should take credit for your successes, no one else. And I think there are a lot of people here who think a solid college tennis career would count as a great success.

[Number1Coach]

[quote=Misterbill;6972804]Ya know....I don't doubt that Deit has the work-ethic or potential athletic ability (potential) to make it as a top pro.

If he doesn't make it, I will attribute it to your self-centered, condescending attitude that reeks more of insecurity than confidence. Maybe there are famous coaches out there who conduct themselves the way you do, and if so, I am sure people will point them out to me. But your attitude....as exemplified solely by your posts, since I do not know you from Adam.....is just the epitome of a negative role model for a professional champ.

Deit, you should take credit for your successes, no one else. And I think there are a lot of people here who think a solid college tennis career would count as a great success.

in·se·cure   [in-si-kyoor] Show IPA
adjective
1.
subject to fears, doubts, etc.; not self-confident or assured: an insecure person.
2.
not confident or certain; uneasy; anxious: He was insecure about the examination.
con·fi·dence   [kon-fi-duhns] Show IPA

NOT me

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Ya know....I don't doubt that Deit has the work-ethic or potential athletic ability (potential) to make it as a top pro.

If he doesn't make it, I will attribute it to your self-centered, condescending attitude that reeks more of insecurity than confidence. Maybe there are famous coaches out there who conduct themselves the way you do, and if so, I am sure people will point them out to me. But your attitude....as exemplified solely by your posts, since I do not know you from Adam.....is just the epitome of a negative role model for a professional champ.

Deit, you should take credit for your successes, no one else. And I think there are a lot of people here who think a solid college tennis career would count as a great success.

You can attribute it to me and tcf will attribute it to not playing itf winning Hurr,le petite, lil mo ,OB and being the wrong color , my question which one of you will be right ?

[Misterbill]

[quote=Number1Coach;6972916]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Ya know....I don't doubt that Deit has the work-ethic or potential athletic ability (potential) to make it as a top pro.

If he doesn't make it, I will attribute it to your self-centered, condescending attitude that reeks more of insecurity than confidence. Maybe there are famous coaches out there who conduct themselves the way you do, and if so, I am sure people will point them out to me. But your attitude....as exemplified solely by your posts, since I do not know you from Adam.....is just the epitome of a negative role model for a professional champ.

Deit, you should take credit for your successes, no one else. And I think there are a lot of people here who think a solid college tennis career would count as a great success.

in·se·cure   [in-si-kyoor] Show IPA
adjective
1.
subject to fears, doubts, etc.; not self-confident or assured: an insecure person.
2.
not confident or certain; uneasy; anxious: He was insecure about the examination.
con·fi·dence   [kon-fi-duhns] Show IPA

NOT me

A secure person wouldn't have posted up so defensively

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

You can attribute it to me and tcf will attribute it to not playing itf winning Hurr,le petite, lil mo ,OB and being the wrong color , my question which one of you will be right ?

Nobody would be able to prove anything in retrospect, and besides, I don't care about being proved right or wrong. It's not about me.

We will just never know, 100%, what heights Deit could reach if he were more exposed to other coaches/role models who exhibit a less self-centered and defensive attitude. But I have expressed my opinion.

[Number1Coach]

[quote=Misterbill;6972938]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

A secure person wouldn't have posted up so defensively

Not true but a smart person would maybe look at a definition of a word before he used it .

If i was insecure I would be shooting for college that is definate security .

[arche3]

Why does every thread in the juniors forum turn into how good deit is? Or will be?

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Not true but a smart person would maybe look at a definition of a word before he used it .

If i was insecure I would be shooting for college that is definate security .

What a dig! I am so hurt! Is that the best you got?

I'm gonna be moving on in a post or two at the most, so get try to get a better shot in now if you wish

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by arche3

Why does every thread in the juniors forum turn into how good deit is? Or will be?

I dunno. Maybe because someone or some people need to seek continual reconfirmation about it. The fact that it comes up in every thread is one of the reasons I am forming the opinion that his camp is being defensive and insecure