Heavily booed Tipsarevic retiring from Bercy was patethic

[Pwned]

Originally Posted by TonyB

Sometimes you just don't have it. Tipsy realizes this and retires out of frustration.

He knows there's no "comeback". He decides to call it a day. No big deal.

Get a grip. Not everyone wants to fight until the bitter end. That doesn't label him a "quitter" or anything like that. When you play enough matches, you realize that sometimes there is just no coming back from the brink of defeat. So be it. Carry on.

Uh... what the **** are you talking about? That is the definition of a quitter.

[Goosehead]

Originally Posted by Zildite

What did he say in Paris, 'sudden fatigue'?

dont know, but was watching the match and he called for the doc and overheard him complain of feeling dizzy...

after about 4mins he got up to continue match, then quit 5 points from defeat..cue booing fans.

[GoodVibrations]

He retired with essentially one game left. Couldn't he have DFed a few times and hit a few strokes wide? Would have taken 3 minutes. I'm sure the "sudden fatigue" hit just too quickly and too hard for him to withstand an extra few minutes.

This is the guy who has made repeated derogatory comments about women's tennis. Even if he had a point with some of them, how pathetic to talk like that and not be able to "take it like a man." If you're going to consider yourself a bastion of masculinity, you better walk the walk. Napoleon complex much?

[dcdoorknob]

Originally Posted by TonyB

So Not everyone wants to fight until the bitter end. That doesn't label him a "quitter" or anything like that.

Heh. Did you say this with a straight face?

TY for the entertainment.

[merwy]

I like Tipsarevic but I don't condone retiring at the last moment like this. You should play it out until the end, unless you're so heavily injured that you can barely stand or something like that. But Tipsarevic didn't look that bad yesterday.

You know, I don't even care if he fights until the end. As some have pointed out, sometimes you just know that you are going to lose: if you're 4-1 30-0 down in the last set and aren't feeling healthy (dizzy) it's okay in my opinion to give up the match. We don't need to see him faint on the court or something by trying too hard. BUT by "giving up" I mean playing while knowing you are going to lose, i.e. not running for every dropshot, not playing long baseline rallies etc. You shouldn't retire that late in the match. It's a bit disrespectful to the opponent. The opponent might feel that he has to hide his emotions because it doesn't look good to cheer happily after your opponent gave up because of injury. It also gives the player an excuse for his loss. People that haven't watched the match could wrongfully think: "Oh, he retired because of injury. Janowizc would never have won if Tipsarevic was healthy". You don't have this problem if he just finishes the match.

[dcdoorknob]

Yeah, the point is though, that you don't get 'dizzy' or have something else suddenly happen when you are down to give you a legit reason to retire that many times in a career. Sure it could happen once, but not as many times as that list in the OP.

So it seems pretty likely based on the pattern that Tipsy just quits sometimes when he doesn't think he can win and doesn't want to play any more, even when there is nothing physical preventing him from finishing the match. It's hard to respect that.

[jmnk]

is retirement from a match treated differently in record books vs. just plain losing?

[winstonplum]

Originally Posted by TonyB

Sometimes you just don't have it. Tipsy realizes this and retires out of frustration.

He knows there's no "comeback". He decides to call it a day. No big deal.

Get a grip. Not everyone wants to fight until the bitter end. That doesn't label him a "quitter" or anything like that. When you play enough matches, you realize that sometimes there is just no coming back from the brink of defeat. So be it. Carry on.

You've inadvertently given the perfect definition of a quitter. A pathetic quitter at that. Those stats are absolutely disgusting. There's nothing worse in professional sports than quitting. Anyone, including a six year old, can tell you that.

[heathcliff]

Originally Posted by TonyB

Sometimes you just don't have it. Tipsy realizes this and retires out of frustration.

He knows there's no "comeback". He decides to call it a day. No big deal.

Get a grip. Not everyone wants to fight until the bitter end. That doesn't label him a "quitter" or anything like that. When you play enough matches, you realize that sometimes there is just no coming back from the brink of defeat. So be it. Carry on.

what do you do when you have a bad day at your work and you have enough? will you quit and go home as well? i guess if you do that you will lose your job, won´t you?

[Torres]

Don't see what the issue is. If the match is lost, it's lost. No point in stringing it out. Saves wear and tear on the body. Some days you have it, some days you don't. Apart from it not bring great for the crowd who have paid money to see a full match, I really don't see what the big deal is.

It's not like he doesn't know how to battle. See for example the 5 setter against Ferrer at this years US open.

[*Sparkle*]

It's disrespectful to his opponent to withdraw, denying his opponent a proper victory, just to save himself the shame of a defeat.

No-one bemoans a withdrawal because of genuine injury, especially if there is still mileage in a match, and some of the more experienced players might be equally happy to get back to the locker room half an hour early, but withdrawing minutes from a loss because you've realised you will lose, cannot be justified.

[tennisaddict]

Originally Posted by Torres

Don't see what the issue is. If the match is lost, it's lost. No point in stringing it out. Saves wear and tear on the body. Some days you have it, some days you don't. Apart from it not bring great for the crowd who have paid money to see a full match, I really don't see what the big deal is.

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Isnt that a big deal that the paying public is robbed of entertainment ? Why would go watch another match of his when you know that he may throw in the towel ?

Tennis etiquette , even today , has opponents not celeberating a win due to retirement. Why deny an opponent something he has earned ?

I saw the USO match against Ferrer. He lost a 5th set 4-2 and may be a 0-30 on Ferrer's serve advantage and when the break was gone, he started grabbing his foot. Agreed, it was bad, but that would have been the case even in the 4th set.

He was derailing Ferrer's momentum by calling for trainer in the last minutes of the match, still Ferrer won. Djokovic did the same against Murray in the finals. Is that a Serbian thing now ?

I like his game when he is ON, but this is disgusting.

[15_ounce]

It might be the side effect of the drug from Kenya.... giving him blurry vision and dizziness

[nereis]

This is an interesting thread.

While it is easy to label Tipsarevic all sorts of nasty names, if we are to make a normative claim that he should have finished the match we have to address the very legitimate counterclaims to that position.

For example, his premises may be as follows:

1. As a professional player I must maximise my earnings over my career

2. Injury and fatigue will impede me from progressing through tournaments.

3. As a journeyman, I am unlikely to get significant endorsement income.

4. All the money I earn will come from prize money.

5. I will maximise prize money by maximising the number of rounds I go through over my career.

6. I am unlikely to succeed in making a comeback in this match.

7. Retiring will allow me to recover marginally quicker and prepare for the next tournament.

C: Retiring from this match at this point will allow me to yield a higher return over my career than continuing.

In order to posit that he has made the wrong choice, we would have to establish that he has an objectively good reason to continue. Remember the legacy of Hume, and that we have to refute Hume in order to claim that there are objective moral truths (as has been implicitly claimed by some people in this thread).

[15_ounce]

[15_ounce]

[diggler]

Originally Posted by *Sparkle*

It's disrespectful to his opponent to withdraw, denying his opponent a proper victory, just to save himself the shame of a defeat.

No-one bemoans a withdrawal because of genuine injury, especially if there is still mileage in a match, and some of the more experienced players might be equally happy to get back to the locker room half an hour early, but withdrawing minutes from a loss because you've realised you will lose, cannot be justified.

I've never really understood this attitude. Only once have I played against a player who retired. Did I feel disrespected? Are you @#$%^&* kidding? I was very happy to take a win against a very dangerous opponent who had much bigger shots and was a clear favourite at the start. If anything, it was a compliment that he felt he just couldn't win.

I understand the fans feel cheated.

Are there any comparisons in other sports? If Kasporov has lost his queen and concedes a chess match, does Karpov complain and say he wants to make it through to checkmate?

[nereis]

Originally Posted by diggler

I've never really understood this attitude. Only once have I played against a player who retired. Did I fee disrespected? Are you @#$%^&* kidding? I was very happy to take a win against a very dangerous opponent. If anything, it was a compliment that he just couldn't win.

I understand the fans feel cheated.

Are there any comparisons in other sports? If Kasporov has lost his queen and concedes a chess match, does Karpov complain and say he wants to make it through to checkmate?

Does Floyd Mayweather feel cheated when his opponent throws the towel in against him?

[sundaypunch]

Originally Posted by single_handed_champion

It gets even better . He is the only player in tennis history with a Career Golden Retirement Slam (and 4 of 9 Masters events)

2011 US Open: RET vs Djokovic 6-7(2), 7-6(3), 0-6, 0-3
2011 Wimbledon: RET vs Karlovic 5-7, 1-3
2009 French Open: RET vs Murray 6-7(3), 3-6
2008 US Open: RET vs Sam Warburg 2-6, 0-1
2007 US Open: RET vs Nadal 2-6, 3-6, 2-3
2007 Australian Open: RET vs Nalbandian 7-6(5), 6-4, 6-7(2), 0-6, 1-2

2012 Paris: RET vs Janowicz 6-3, 1-6, 1-4
2012 Cincinnati: RET vs Andujar 4-6, 1-4
2010 Canada: RET vs Kohlschreiber 2-2
2010 Indian Wells: RET vs de Bakker 2-3

2008 Beijing Olympics: RET vs Oli Rochus 6-7(5), 3-2

Now that is funny. It is the only thing this guy will be remembered for when it comes to the Grand Slam tournaments.

[Steve0904]

Originally Posted by diggler

I've never really understood this attitude. Only once have I played against a player who retired. Did I feel disrespected? Are you @#$%^&* kidding? I was very happy to take a win against a very dangerous opponent who had much bigger shots and was a clear favourite at the start. If anything, it was a compliment that he felt he just couldn't win.

I understand the fans feel cheated.

Are there any comparisons in other sports? If Kasporov has lost his queen and concedes a chess match, does Karpov complain and say he wants to make it through to checkmate?

I like the chess analogy since I am a chess player myself, but it is not the same. In tennis, retiring, especially as many times as Tipsarevic has, with suspect injuries at best, and so close to losing anyway is seen as a lack of toughness and makes people think that the winning player only won because the other was injured, which is very often not the case.

The closest analogy in chess is if you resign one move before the other player checkmates you, not accounting for time left on the clock mind you.