I'm The Rudest Hooker!

[Angle Queen]

Originally Posted by jaybear1909

I then proceeded to jump over the net (okay, I could have walked around) and asked nicely if they could show me the mark.

Dude, you jump over the net...onto my side...and I'm walking off the court. I've never filed a grievance but I sure as heck would over that. Completely unsportsmanlike, regardless of the perceived injustice you might have felt at a call.

Besides, I didn't think you could technically even look at a "mark" on a hard court (even if you can see them). The rules, as quoted earlier in this thread, speak only to checking a mark on clay...and even then, from your own side.

You will be lucky if the opposing team doesn't officially complain about your conduct.

[jaybear1909]

Originally Posted by treblings

i can tell, that you´re not really happy with the responses you get
there are two different aspects of your original post, that we can talk about
one, you jumped over the net. not much to talk about, that´s just not allowed

two, you had a difference of opinion, whether the ball was in or out and that difference of opinion made you certain, that your opponents where cheating

in post #1 you write:´i saw it hit very close, and the man called it out´
in post #18 it reads a bit different:´the moment she hit the ball, i knew it was in´
interestingly you didn´t find a mark that was in. why not?
but your opponents inability to show you a consistent mark is cheating?
did it ever occur to you, that they might have taken their eyes off the ball mark the moment they saw you jumping the net?

Very close and in are not as different as you make them seem. We gave them the benefit of the doubt on the other close calls. This one happened to be on set point and it was clearly VERY CLOSE to the line. With the way the balls were marking I figured it would be okay to just check. I didn't see a mark outside of the line, nor one inside the line (but the fact that neither of them knew where it hit was suspicious). I gave them the point. The very next point, he came over to our side of the net looking for HIS mark.

We had a spectator that was courtside and he even agreed that they were calling some very fishy lines.

I know now that jumping over (or going over at all) is not right. I had seen plenty of people do it before so I didn't know any differently. I won't make this mistake again, but I'm not saying it wasn't efficient. These types of players need to be stood up to. If you're happy with letting them go on their merry way, kudos. I used to be afraid to call any close balls out because I felt I was cheating my opponents. All I ask is that people are fair with me, and I'll be fair with them.

Do you guys like to be cheated?

[jaybear1909]

Originally Posted by Angle Queen

Dude, you jump over the net...onto my side...and I'm walking off the court. I've never filed a grievance but I sure as heck would over that. Completely unsportsmanlike, regardless of the perceived injustice you might have felt at a call.

Besides, I didn't think you could technically even look at a "mark" on a hard court (even if you can see them). The rules, as quoted earlier in this thread, speak only to checking a mark on clay...and even then, from your own side.

You will be lucky if the opposing team doesn't officially complain about your conduct.

I didn't run over with my hulk smash face and scream "OH NO SHE DIN'T BOO BOO! I'MA CUT YOU!"

I didn't realize jumping over the net was equivalent to murder guys.

[Torres]

Originally Posted by jaybear1909

I didn't run over with my hulk smash face and scream "OH NO SHE DIN'T BOO BOO! I'MA CUT YOU!"

I didn't realize jumping over the net was equivalent to murder guys.

But you thought it was 100m hurdles instead?

[woodrow1029]

The worst part of the story, is that I think you really believe the following part is true:

"I told her that no matter how I got around the net, that I could legally look for the mark."

[woodrow1029]

Was this a hard court or clay court?

[jaybear1909]

Originally Posted by woodrow1029

The worst part of the story, is that I think you really believe the following part is true:

"I told her that no matter how I got around the net, that I could legally look for the mark."

If you read my posts, you'd see that I said I did believe it was true, but now I know it isn't.

You'd also know that I'm not unhappy for calling them out. On paper, you have no idea how I am, or how my opponent's am, I realize that. All I can say is you had to have been there. You may feel differently about my actions.

I'm humble enough to realize when I did something wrong, but when cheating becomes the answer, I think the rules should bend a little.

[jaybear1909]

Originally Posted by woodrow1029

Was this a hard court or clay court?

It was hard, but it was damp. Again, I stated this in the first post, but I realize it was long and you may not have read it. Had the balls not been leaving clear marks I would have never resorted to checking.

[Angle Queen]

Originally Posted by jaybear1909

Do you guys like to be cheated?

What a loaded question. No one likes to be cheated. It's how you deal with these kinds of situations, though, that separate the wheat from the chaff and you clearly blew it.

Let me ask this: do you really think they intended to cheat you?

I'm sorry if you do. I gotta tell ya, I've met a lot of very competitive people in my 4 decades of playing all manner of sports and cards. And while I know a (very) few who know/use the rules well, some might even say bend them, I've yet to run across an outright cheater. They think they know the rules (that might allow something) and they don't...or they just flat out "see it" a different way.

Isn't it possible, just possible, that they really saw the balls as they called them?

When I find myself in a match with an opponent who seems to call it "tight"...that's when I pinch the court just a bit to prevent any doubt...on either of our parts...as to whether a ball is in. Now, is that right or fair? Maybe, maybe not but it's the way to play the game without giving yourself heartburn, before, during or after a match. This is rec tennis, no linespeople or shotspot so we've got to make do with the way things are and that's being as honest yourself...as you can.

Hope you can take something good away from this experience.

[jaybear1909]

Originally Posted by Torres

But you thought it was 100m hurdles instead?

Yes. That's exactly what I thought. Damn!

[BHiC]

Originally Posted by jaybear1909

Very close and in are not as different as you make them seem. We gave them the benefit of the doubt on the other close calls. This one happened to be on set point and it was clearly VERY CLOSE to the line. With the way the balls were marking I figured it would be okay to just check. I didn't see a mark outside of the line, nor one inside the line (but the fact that neither of them knew where it hit was suspicious). I gave them the point. The very next point, he came over to our side of the net looking for HIS mark.

We had a spectator that was courtside and he even agreed that they were calling some very fishy lines.

I know now that jumping over (or going over at all) is not right. I had seen plenty of people do it before so I didn't know any differently. I won't make this mistake again, but I'm not saying it wasn't efficient. These types of players need to be stood up to. If you're happy with letting them go on their merry way, kudos. I used to be afraid to call any close balls out because I felt I was cheating my opponents. All I ask is that people are fair with me, and I'll be fair with them.

Do you guys like to be cheated?

As has been stated here, going onto the opponent's side to look for a mark is not allowed. There are other ways to handle the cheaters. If you are sure that your shot was in, tell them after the point "Oh, did you not hear me? I called your shot before that out". They will most likely get the message. I have never had to do this, but I have seen others do it, and the cheating does stop most of the time. What I normally do, is I walk up to the net, and calmly say, "Oh, so those are the boundaries we are playing with now? Got it!". They will absolutely freak out, and won't make bad calls after that, especially if you shrink the court a little to match what they are calling.

And also, jumping over the net is not very safe. A girl that I used to practice with tried to jump over the net just for fun the day before she was playing in a fairly big southern tournament, and she caught her toe on the net, and broke both of her arms. Jumping over the net is normally not a good idea.

[woodrow1029]

Originally Posted by jaybear1909

It was hard, but it was damp. Again, I stated this in the first post, but I realize it was long and you may not have read it. Had the balls not been leaving clear marks I would have never resorted to checking.

Um, I realize your first post was long as well, and you might not have the memory capacity to remember what you typed, but I can't see any mention of "hard" court in your first post.

The fact that marks are more clear when the court is damp could apply to hard or clay courts.

[Angle Queen]

Originally Posted by jaybear1909

I'm humble enough to realize when I did something wrong, but when cheating becomes the answer, I think the rules should bend a little.

Good to see you learning something through this thread but me and thee will differ on the last part of your statement and it is fundamental to your mindset. Just because you "think" they cheated...doesn't mean you get to bend the rules too. Old saying, but accurate in my mind: Two wrongs, do not make it right.

[jaybear1909]

Originally Posted by woodrow1029

Um, I realize your first post was long as well, and you might not have the memory capacity to remember what you typed, but I can't see any mention of "hard" court in your first post.

The fact that marks are more clear when the court is damp could apply to hard or clay courts.

Ouch, the old memory capacity is at it again. I'm going to therapy to work on remembering past 10 minutes ago, give me a break.

You're correct, I never stated hard court. I've never played on clay and assumed that if clay courts were damp, they'd also be muddy (meaning unplayable). Not to mention clay always leaves marks, so I would never have had to say "It was damp, so balls were leaving clear marks."

My apologies, reading comprehension is so hard these days.

[samarai]

Its recreational tennis, there are no line judges, no instant replay. Hopefully no money involved. If both of your opponents call it out, then its out. You may question their call and put a thought in their minds to be more efficient in their calls but that's about it. You move on and play the next point.

[jaybear1909]

Originally Posted by BHiC

As has been stated here, going onto the opponent's side to look for a mark is not allowed. There are other ways to handle the cheaters. If you are sure that your shot was in, tell them after the point "Oh, did you not hear me? I called your shot before that out". They will most likely get the message. I have never had to do this, but I have seen others do it, and the cheating does stop most of the time. What I normally do, is I walk up to the net, and calmly say, "Oh, so those are the boundaries we are playing with now? Got it!". They will absolutely freak out, and won't make bad calls after that, especially if you shrink the court a little to match what they are calling.

And also, jumping over the net is not very safe. A girl that I used to practice with tried to jump over the net just for fun the day before she was playing in a fairly big southern tournament, and she caught her toe on the net, and broke both of her arms. Jumping over the net is normally not a good idea.

I'm actually surprised at how well I got over the net. I hardly even remember landing. A true moment of grace right there.

I think jumping over the net with adrenaline is less dangerous :P. Sorry to hear that about your friend though. Ouch.

[woodrow1029]

10 char......

[sureshs]

Not wise to play on damp courts

[woodrow1029]

Originally Posted by jaybear1909

Ouch, the old memory capacity is at it again. I'm going to therapy to work on remembering past 10 minutes ago, give me a break.

You're correct, I never stated hard court. I've never played on clay and assumed that if clay courts were damp, they'd also be muddy (meaning unplayable). Not to mention clay always leaves marks, so I would never have had to say "It was damp, so balls were leaving clear marks."

My apologies, reading comprehension is so hard these days.

LOL. Thanks for the comic relief of this thread though. If anyone wants to know how NOT to handle a situation on court, read the OP.

[sureshs]

jaybear:

Don't listen to the comments here. Posters are jealous of you because they cannot jump over a net.