Oh my it's that time of year again.... World Tour Finals discussion thread!

[sbengte]

Originally Posted by raphMODE

Taken from the PDF doc for Rules under the tournament website, accessible from ATP website:

The final standings of each group shall be determined by the first of the following methods that apply:
a) Greatest number of wins;
c) Head-to-head results if only two (2) players are tied,

That, in general is a good rule to apply even in GOAT debates. Just sayin'

[Duncan Bell]

Sounds like Cvac is making pretty light work of T-Berd in London. 4-1 first set with Nole to serve.

Impressive stuff from #1.

[Cesc Fabregas]

Berdych is a clown. Djokovic is pretty boring to watch.

[Duncan Bell]

1st set Cvac - 6-2. At a canter.

[veroniquem]

Djoko getting the job done. He's been in good form this tournament so far. Berd has beaten Djoko only once in 11 encounters and surprise, surprise... the one time was on grass. People here didn't really expect Berd to beat Djoko here in straights now, did they? That would have been very foolish.
ETA: Djoko just qualified for the semi. Congrats to him! Let's see if he lets up now.

[Tony48]

Is this supposed to be the Djoker-Berdych thread?

[veroniquem]

I guess. I don't see another one.

[SQA333]

I think we're in for a blockbuster final weekend, just like in 2010 - where all the top guys progressed through the round-robin stages fairly comfortably.

[romeo8880]

Two more awful players lose in Marray/Nielson. Fluke victory at Wimbledon it's amazing they can even win a match.

[Mainad]

Originally Posted by romeo8880

Two more awful players lose in Marray/Nielson. Fluke victory at Wimbledon it's amazing they can even win a match.

Well, they only qualified for WTF mainly because of their Wimbledon win. Don't think they are all that bad though. They beat the Bryans at Wimbledon and Bhupathi/Bopanna and Mirnyi/Nestor, the defending champions, at the O2. They've qualified for the semis. Those big scalps can't ALL be flukes!

[stringertom]

We have a rematch tomorrow of two guys who fought to a fifth-set TB in the USO'12 QFs and I haven't read one poast about the matchup. Granted Tipsy has been off-form for much of the Fall swing and looked overwhelmed in his losses this week, but Ferrer has played a lot of tennis winning Valencia and Bercy. Tipsy proved he can hang with the Spanish Terrier two months ago. Can he fight that hard tomorrow???

[tudwell]

Originally Posted by stringertom

We have a rematch tomorrow of two guys who fought to a fifth-set TB in the USO'12 QFs and I haven't read one poast about the matchup. Granted Tipsy has been off-form for much of the Fall swing and looked overwhelmed in his losses this week, but Ferrer has played a lot of tennis winning Valencia and Bercy. Tipsy proved he can hang with the Spanish Terrier two months ago. Can he fight that hard tomorrow???

No. Ferrer in two.

[veroniquem]

Originally Posted by stringertom

We have a rematch tomorrow of two guys who fought to a fifth-set TB in the USO'12 QFs and I haven't read one poast about the matchup. Granted Tipsy has been off-form for much of the Fall swing and looked overwhelmed in his losses this week, but Ferrer has played a lot of tennis winning Valencia and Bercy. Tipsy proved he can hang with the Spanish Terrier two months ago. Can he fight that hard tomorrow???

I don't expect it. Tipsy's form has been down the drain recently. Health issues apparently.

[jaggy]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

I don't expect it. Tipsy's form has been down the drain recently. Health issues apparently.

Thats interesting, I kind of assumed something was wrong

[merwy]

Originally Posted by raphMODE

Taken from the PDF doc for Rules under the tournament website, accessible from ATP website:

The final standings of each group shall be determined by the first of the following methods that apply:
a) Greatest number of wins;
b) Greatest number of matches played;
c) Head-to-head results if only two (2) players are tied,
d) If three (3) players are tied, then:
... i) If three (3) players each have one win, a player having played less than all three (3) matches is automatically eliminated and the player advancing to the single elimination competition is the winner of the match-up of the two (2) players tied with 1-2 records; or
...ii) Highest percentage of sets won; or
...iii) Highest percentage of games won.
...iv) If (i), (ii) or (iii) produce one (1) superior player (first place), or one (1) inferior player (third place), and the two (2) remaining players are tied, the tie between those two (2) players shall be broken by head-to-head record.
4) If ties still exist after the above procedures, the ATP shall make
the final determination.
5) In applying the tie-breaking procedures, a conduct default or retirement shall count as a straight-set win or loss. However, games won or lost in matches with the defaulting or retiring player shall not be counted in the application of subsection 3.d. (iii) above. A player who retires during the round robin because of illness or injury may continue in the competition if it is approved by the tournament doctor.
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Thanks! If Del Potro beats Federer in he would be #1 in the group, is that correct?

[joeri888]

Originally Posted by merwy

Thanks! If Del Potro beats Federer in he would be #1 in the group, is that correct?

Unless Ferrer wins too. Than 3 players are tied.

[batz]

Originally Posted by joeri888

Unless Ferrer wins too. Than 3 players are tied.

Only for a second - there is no 3 way tie scenario where Roger and Delpo don't qualify.

If Delpo beats Roger in straights then Delpo wins the group and Roger is 2nd, if Delpo wins in 3, then it's the other way round - either way, any Delpo win sees Ferrer eliminated.

[stringertom]

Originally Posted by batz

Only for a second - there is no 3 way tie scenario where Roger and Delpo don't qualify.

If Delpo beats Roger in straights then Delpo wins the group and Roger is 2nd, if Delpo wins in 3, then it's the other way round - either way, any Delpo win sees Ferrer eliminated.

So the Tipsy/Ferrer match has become a "dead rubber" with JMDP's win today???