Speed Stringing - Page 2

Tennusdude · 11-11-2012, 04:04 AM

Consistency is the name of the game, whether you are fast or slow, if you are not consistent you are not worth a set of prince tournament nylon!

In my opinion if you can produce consistent string jobs over and over, you are a very successful stringer.

Irvin · 11-11-2012, 05:39 AM

Consistently bad and you aren't worth the scraps left over from a set of Prince Tournament Nylon. If you got a bad string job at a pro shop because you always hate it you're just plain stupid for going back.

That is the most idiotic excuse for poor workmanship i have ever heard and i am sick of hearing it.

Tennusdude · 11-11-2012, 06:29 AM

Sorry to get you so worked up! lol

easterngrip · 11-11-2012, 01:58 PM

Dear Irvin:
You are a very bright member of this forum.
I have learned a lot from your wise posts and clever videos.
Lately you have been behaving in a fashion contrary to the Irvin we all learned to admire and respect.
I hope to see the nice, wise and clever Irvin back.
Best regards,
Eastergrip

zapvor · 11-11-2012, 08:09 PM

irvin is upset because we proved him wrong in the other speed stringing thread where he made a false claim. it happens i guess

sometimes fast is valued over quality. some people plan badly

Irvin · 11-11-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zapvor

... sometimes fast is valued over quality ...

Not by me.

zapvor · 11-11-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Irvin

Not by me.

we see that very clear in the video you posted. as i said, some people plan badly

Irvin · 11-12-2012, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by zapvor

we see that very clear in the video you posted. as i said, some people plan badly

If you are still crying about that my plan worked even better than I could have ever dreamed. Keep bringing it to remind me how upset you are.

Irvin · 11-12-2012, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by stringwalla

... I've always expressed that there are a lot of "fast" stringers and a lot of "great" stringers out there. But very few "great and fast"...

I agree with you. (Co-)Poly and delicate strings are being used more and more. (Co-)Poly strings are much more abrasive than other strings and stringing them too fast takes its toll on the life of a string. I also think (Co-)Poly strings should be pulled slower and longer than other strings because they resists change (tension) much more. Pulling slower gives the (Co-)Poly string time to relax while pulling longer allows the (Co-)Poly to be properly stretched while not over-stretching the string. A good way to improve your time is to pull tension and clamp the string as fast as possible. When stringing crosses the cross string isn't really fully tensioned as you don't give the string time to overcome the friction of the mains across the mains. One big advantage of a constant pull is to continue to pull for a longer period of time than a lockout. A string looses tension too fast if not allowed time to stretch.

But like you said there are very few "great and fast" stringers.

Tennusdude · 11-12-2012, 05:00 AM

Hi Irvin, I apologize for what happened between us yesterday. I did not see your apology until now and I am sorry about that.

I want to ask your opinion on something. How much tension, if any, do think can be lost by clamp strings 1 inch or even more from the frame of the racket as opposed to clamping strings 1/4 of an inch from the frame of the racket?

I do appreciate your willingness to share you ideas and I really thought it was amazing how you used a piece of string to speed up weaving on the crosses, that really was a terrific idea.

jim e · 11-12-2012, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tennusdude

Hi Irvin, I apologize for what happened between us yesterday. I did not see your apology until now and I am sorry about that.

I want to ask your opinion on something. How much tension, if any, do think can be lost by clamp strings 1 inch or even more from the frame of the racket as opposed to clamping strings 1/4 of an inch from the frame of the racket?

I do appreciate your willingness to share you ideas and I really thought it was amazing how you used a piece of string to speed up weaving on the crosses, that really was a terrific idea.

I asked that same question to a slam stringer, who strung for the Wilson string team. He ran a test of a good number of identical racquets where some the clamps were right up to the racquet and others an inch or more away, and then measure with a few different string bed stiffness instruments, and bottom line they were all the same.I inquired to him on this as some ATW patterns the machines clamp needed to be a distance away from the racquet to clamp the string, and he responded that there is no measurable difference.

mikeler · 11-12-2012, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jim e

I asked that same question to a slam stringer, who strung for the Wilson string team. He ran a test of a good number of identical racquets where some the clamps were right up to the racquet and others an inch or more away, and then measure with a few different string bed stiffness instruments, and bottom line they were all the same.I inquired to him on this as some ATW patterns the machines clamp needed to be a distance away from the racquet to clamp the string, and he responded that there is no measurable difference.

I've always wondered about this. Thanks for posting.

Tennusdude · 11-12-2012, 06:30 AM

Do you know if the test was done on a Crank Machine as well as Electronic?
Thanks

jim e · 11-12-2012, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tennusdude

Do you know if the test was done on a Crank Machine as well as Electronic?
Thanks

He has a Star 4 he used for years and also now has the Wilson Biardo, so I would assume he used one of those. His e-mail to me was a while back, and would be difficult to go through them all to find that e-mail to know exactly which machine he used.

Irvin · 11-12-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennusdude

Hi Irvin, I apologize for what happened between us yesterday. I did not see your apology until now and I am sorry about that.

I want to ask your opinion on something. How much tension, if any, do think can be lost by clamp strings 1 inch or even more from the frame of the racket as opposed to clamping strings 1/4 of an inch from the frame of the racket?

I do appreciate your willingness to share you ideas and I really thought it was amazing how you used a piece of string to speed up weaving on the crosses, that really was a terrific idea.

How much tension is lost? Not enough for anyone to notice. I prefer to clamp the string as close to the frame as possible especially on the tie off strings. Therefore when i can I tie of the next to last outside main so I can get around the outside supports. I also like to tie off the top and bottom crosses when possible as long as I can stay away frm short sections of the frame supporting a pull.

Irvin · 11-12-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennusdude

Do you know if the test was done on a Crank Machine as well as Electronic?
Thanks

I dont think it would matter.

zapvor · 11-12-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Irvin

If you are still crying about that my plan worked even better than I could have ever dreamed. Keep bringing it to remind me how upset you are.

i am not upset at all-quite contrary its funny how badly you did that. just want to share it with others for a laugh

Irvin · 11-12-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennusdude

... I want to ask your opinion on something. How much tension, if any, do think can be lost by clamp strings 1 inch or even more from the frame of the racket as opposed to clamping strings 1/4 of an inch from the frame of the racket?...

Let me expand on this. If the string is not a tie off string it does make much difference. If you are going to tie the string off the closer the clamp is to the frame and the closer the grommet is to the anchor string the better. This is primarily to reduce drawback. I could make the tie off string lose quite a bit of tension but should not effect overall string bed stiffness that much.

fortun8son · 11-12-2012, 05:51 PM

I have not yet needed to push myself to see how fast I can go.
I'm not sure I want to.
A music teacher once told me, "If you can't do it slow, you'll never do it fast."
There are too many who do it fast and sloppy, both in music and in stringing.

zapvor · 11-13-2012, 11:13 AM

i never did really. until this summer i didnt care for it. but a few times i was under pressure to crank them out so i sort of got tossed into the game. i am pleasantly surprised at how quickly i was able to pick it up

11-11-2012, 04:04 AM	#21
Tennusdude Rookie Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 218	Consistency Consistency is the name of the game, whether you are fast or slow, if you are not consistent you are not worth a set of prince tournament nylon! In my opinion if you can produce consistent string jobs over and over, you are a very successful stringer.

11-11-2012, 05:39 AM	#22
Irvin Legend Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Marietta, Ga Posts: 6,964	Consistently bad and you aren't worth the scraps left over from a set of Prince Tournament Nylon. If you got a bad string job at a pro shop because you always hate it you're just plain stupid for going back. That is the most idiotic excuse for poor workmanship i have ever heard and i am sick of hearing it. __________________ Irvin - I wish Facebook would notify me when people delete me so I can 'Like it' Last edited by Irvin : 11-11-2012 at 07:08 AM.

11-11-2012, 06:29 AM	#23
Tennusdude Rookie Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 218	Irvin is always right or almost always right! Sorry to get you so worked up! lol

11-11-2012, 08:09 PM	#25
zapvor Legend Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: tennis courts Posts: 7,904	irvin is upset because we proved him wrong in the other speed stringing thread where he made a false claim. it happens i guess sometimes fast is valued over quality. some people plan badly __________________ Member of TW MAC. yes, we are better than you. and we bout to hop on a court to make another 'mil

11-12-2012, 05:51 PM	#39
fortun8son Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Desert Posts: 2,996	I have not yet needed to push myself to see how fast I can go. I'm not sure I want to. A music teacher once told me, "If you can't do it slow, you'll never do it fast." There are too many who do it fast and sloppy, both in music and in stringing. __________________ Neos 1000, Eagnas Combo 810(home),Prince 5000(work) Member USRSA Last edited by fortun8son : 11-12-2012 at 05:54 PM.