WTF Winner Will Be Player Of The Year???

[5555]

Originally Posted by merlinpinpin

Major (pun intended) fail, young man. Nowhere does this state that the grand slam tournaments are "big" and all the others aren't. So, if that's your last-ditch defense, I'm afraid it's already been breached.

Game, set, and match.

Britannica does say that slams are big tournaments. Checkmate.

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

Going by your logic :

I'm a human, so you're not

Can you explain why going by my logic you are a human and I'm not?

Originally Posted by cknobman

Ok here is a reliable source to prove the World Tour Finals is a big tournament.

Source ATP World Tour website: http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Ten...ionth-Fan.aspx

Your argument against the Word Tour Finals loses.

If WTF is a prestigious tournament it does not mean it's a big tournament.



You all lost the argument.

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by 5555

Britannica does say that slams are big tournaments. Checkmate.



Can you explain why going by my logic you are a human and I'm not?



If WTF is a prestigious tournament it does not mean it's a big tournament.



You all lost the argument.

What you said : "Grand Slams are big tournaments so the WTF isn't."

I said : "I am a human so you are not."

[cknobman]

Originally Posted by 5555

If WTF is a prestigious tournament it does not mean it's a big tournament.

You all lost the argument.

LMAO if there is one thing I have learned here at Talk Tennis it is you cannot argue with stupidity. You are a perfect example of that.

Did you even read the article?

Here are a few quotes directly from the article that reinforce big:

"The Barclays ATP World Tour Finals today welcomed its 1 millionth fan through the doors of The O2 to watch the prestigious season finale."

"It was announced this week that the world’s largest indoor tennis tournament would remain at The O2 through 2015 and that Barclays"

"Watched by more than 70 million viewers in 184 countries in 2011"

EDIT:

Just for reference total attendance for the French Open in 2011 was 429,105 (source) which is less than half of the attendance of the WTF which has not yet completed.

[5555]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

What you said : "Grand Slams are big tournaments so the WTF isn't."

I did not say that.

Originally Posted by cknobman

LMAO if there is one thing I have learned here at Talk Tennis it is you cannot argue with stupidity. You are a perfect example of that.

Did you even read the article?

Here are a few quotes directly from the article that reinforce big:

"The Barclays ATP World Tour Finals today welcomed its 1 millionth fan through the doors of The O2 to watch the prestigious season finale."

"It was announced this week that the world’s largest indoor tennis tournament would remain at The O2 through 2015 and that Barclays"

"Watched by more than 70 million viewers in 184 countries in 2011"

EDIT:

Just for reference total attendance for the French Open in 2011 was 429,105 (source) which is less than half of the attendance of the WTF which has not yet completed.

You are an idiot. According to your logic WTF is bigger tournament than FO.

[joeri888]

Originally Posted by cknobman

LMAO if there is one thing I have learned here at Talk Tennis it is you cannot argue with stupidity. You are a perfect example of that.

Did you even read the article?

Here are a few quotes directly from the article that reinforce big:

"The Barclays ATP World Tour Finals today welcomed its 1 millionth fan through the doors of The O2 to watch the prestigious season finale."

"It was announced this week that the world’s largest indoor tennis tournament would remain at The O2 through 2015 and that Barclays"

"Watched by more than 70 million viewers in 184 countries in 2011"

EDIT:

Just for reference total attendance for the French Open in 2011 was 429,105 (source) which is less than half of the attendance of the WTF which has not yet completed.

Uhm, let's be clear here. I'm pretty sure those O2 million spectators came in 4 years. They added 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 together.

[Sabratha]

Yeah, still roughly 500,000 people every year on average go to the O2.

[cknobman]

Originally Posted by joeri888

Uhm, let's be clear here. I'm pretty sure those O2 million spectators came in 4 years. They added 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 together.

Yes you are correct. To be more specific this year attracted 263,229 spectators over 8 days.

Here are some cool stats posted on ATP world tour website:
ON TV
• An estimated global cumulative audience of 100.7 million viewers tuned into the event.
• Televised by 56 broadcasters in 193 territories, a total of 5,580 hours were broadcast across the eight days of the tournament, a 27% increase on 2011.
• In the UK, more than 60 hours of coverage was featured live on Sky Sports and 20 hours on terrestrial television on BBC.

ONLINE
• ATPWorldTour.com attracted 3.4 million unique visitors throughout the tournament, a 10% increase on 2011.
• Live match streaming on TennisTV.com, the ATP’s official live streaming site, received more than 3.75 million total streams, an increase of 25% on 2011.
• ATP World Tour content posted to Facebook exceeded 40 million impressions (222% increase on 2011) and conversations on Twitter grew 93% from last year.
• ATP’s official YouTube channel drove 727,800 views and nearly 1 million minutes watched during the week (45% increase in views on 2011).
• ATP Official Live Scoring Flash and Mobile Applications recorded more than 23 million page impressions and total user sessions in excess of 3.1 million for the week.

[NatF]

^^ How do those stats compare to the second week of a Grand Slam?

[TMF]

Give it a rest people. the WTF IS an important/prestigious tournament.

A player who's consider one of all time great but not winning at least 1 WTF would have a big hole in their resume.

[cknobman]

Originally Posted by NatF

^^ How do those stats compare to the second week of a Grand Slam?

I dont know but here are some stats on Grand Slam total attendance:
US Open 2012: 710,803
French Open 2011: 429,105
Wimbledon 2012: 484,805
Australian Open 2012: 686,006

So the Word Tour Finals over 8 days and played on 1 court had over 283000 people which is 65% of the French Open total attendance which is held over 14 days and 15+ courts.

I'd say the World Tour Finals is every bit as big as some of the Grand Slams.

[veroniquem]

Well, it turns out the POTY this year is the WTF winner as well. Not always true but it is this year. Also it was more significant for this season than others because the 2 top players' records were relatively close. In 2011 for instance, it didn't matter because no player could have overtaken Djoko, WTF title or not.