Nadal's performances have affected tournament significance

McEnroeisanartist · 11-12-2012, 08:58 AM

Does anyone else think that Federer's achievement of 6 championships at the ATP Tour World Finals is underrated because his biggest rival, Nadal, has only reached one final there in his career, so it must not be that important of a tournament (some call it a glorified exhibition).

While Nadal's achievement of 7 French Opens has been overrated because his biggest rival, Federer, has done so well there and Nadal has consistently beat him there.

kishnabe · 11-12-2012, 09:07 AM

It just *******s who discredit WTF worth.

Prisoner of Birth · 11-12-2012, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist

Does anyone else think that Federer's achievement of 6 championships at the ATP Tour World Finals is underrated because his biggest rival, Nadal, has only reached one final there in his career, so it must not be that important of a tournament (some call it a glorified exhibition).

While Nadal's achievement of 7 French Opens has been overrated because his biggest rival, Federer, has done so well there and Nadal has consistently beat him there.

LOL, only on this forum and only ***** call the WTF a glorified exhibition. That said, the French Open is worth about 5 times as much as a WTF title.

The Bawss · 11-12-2012, 09:10 AM

Sorry, this thread is a bad thread.

The Bawss · 11-12-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

LOL, only on this forum and only ***** call the WTF a glorified exhibition. That said, the French Open is worth about 5 times as much as a WTF title.

Lol what? Gaudio won the FO, Ferrero won the FO, Muster won the FO, Chang won the FO. These clowns never won anything "big" other than the FO. It certainly isn't worth 5 WTFs.

Prisoner of Birth · 11-12-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bawss

Lol what? Gaudio won the FO, Ferrero won the FO, Muster won the FO, Chang won the FO. These clowns never won anything "big" other than the FO. It certainly isn't worth 5 WTFs.

I'd rather be Gaudio than 5 Davydenkos

Murrayfan31 · 11-12-2012, 09:19 AM

Nadal hates indoors. So this is a bad thread no doubt.

nikdom · 11-12-2012, 09:19 AM

Didn't affect the USO all those years Nadal wasn't showing up in the late stages let alone win it.

Don't see any merit to OP's argument.

veroniquem · 11-12-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist

Does anyone else think that Federer's achievement of 6 championships at the ATP Tour World Finals is underrated because his biggest rival, Nadal, has only reached one final there in his career, so it must not be that important of a tournament (some call it a glorified exhibition).

While Nadal's achievement of 7 French Opens has been overrated because his biggest rival, Federer, has done so well there and Nadal has consistently beat him there.

7 at any slam cannot be overrated. Are you kidding? I can't believe Fed fans are getting so out of control before Fed even wins the damn thing. How foolish they're gonna look if he loses.

The Bawss · 11-12-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by veroniquem

7 at any slam cannot be overrated. Are you kidding? I can't believe Fed fans are getting so out of control before Fed even wins the damn thing. How foolish they're gonna look if he loses.

He ain't losing it. Book it.

Prisoner of Birth · 11-12-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by veroniquem

7 at any slam cannot be overrated. Are you kidding? I can't believe Fed fans are getting so out of control before Fed even wins the damn thing. How foolish they're gonna look if he loses.

Federer doesn't lose. He lets his opponent win

McEnroeisanartist · 11-12-2012, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by veroniquem

7 at any slam cannot be overrated. Are you kidding? I can't believe Fed fans are getting so out of control before Fed even wins the damn thing. How foolish they're gonna look if he loses.

I never predicted that Federer would win today or the tournament for that matter. I predicted that Federer would lose to Del Potro in the third round robin match and in the semifinals to Murray.

I just think Federer's record at the tournament is underrated and the importance of the French Open has been elevated largely due to Nadal winning it so many times and defeating the Greatest Player of All Time 5 times there.

woodrow1029 · 11-12-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist

Does anyone else think that Federer's achievement of 6 championships at the ATP Tour World Finals is underrated because his biggest rival, Nadal, has only reached one final there in his career, so it must not be that important of a tournament (some call it a glorified exhibition).

While Nadal's achievement of 7 French Opens has been overrated because his biggest rival, Federer, has done so well there and Nadal has consistently beat him there.

and in 2 years, Federer knocked Nadal out in the semis. Do you take that into account at all?

Towser83 · 11-12-2012, 09:50 AM

Nadal winning 7 RG title is not over-rated. It's an amazing achievement.

Though some people do under rate the WTF, and we know why.

veroniquem · 11-12-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist

I never predicted that Federer would win today or the tournament for that matter. I predicted that Federer would lose to Del Potro in the third round robin match and in the semifinals to Murray.

I just think Federer's record at the tournament is underrated and the importance of the French Open has been elevated largely due to Nadal winning it so many times and defeating the Greatest Player of All Time 5 times there.

Nothing that Fed does is underrated on this board. There's a new thread popping up every time he hits a winner. For the WTF streak, multiply that by 200. Scary.

6-1 6-3 6-0 · 11-12-2012, 10:14 AM

wangs78 · 11-12-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist

Does anyone else think that Federer's achievement of 6 championships at the ATP Tour World Finals is underrated because his biggest rival, Nadal, has only reached one final there in his career, so it must not be that important of a tournament (some call it a glorified exhibition).

While Nadal's achievement of 7 French Opens has been overrated because his biggest rival, Federer, has done so well there and Nadal has consistently beat him there.

Yes - definitely. Nadal gets a lot of cred for his FO wins because most of them came against Federer. It's unfair because in reality the reverse should be true - that Fed gets cred for winning things like the WTF AND making the FO finals so many times. But fans and analysts tend to just remember that Fed lost to Nadal in FO finals. It's unfortunate but what can you do.

jokinla · 11-12-2012, 10:21 AM

Nads only has 2 finals at the US Open, so what, it's a great tournament, and the WTF is just a notch below that, irregardless of what Nads has or hasn't done there.

batz · 11-12-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kishnabe

It just *******s who discredit WTF worth.

This. Just as it is only *******s who discredit OG worth. Decent fans of both players see both events for what they are - the biggest prizes after the slams.

woodrow1029 · 11-12-2012, 10:29 AM

If my calculations are correct, Nadal beat Federer 5 times at Roland Garros out of his 7 victories (4 times in finals, and 1 time in SF).

Out of Federer's 6 WTF championships, he has beaten Nadal 4 times (1 in a Final, 2 in SF, and once in RR play). In the 2 SF years, how is it Federer's fault that Nadal ended up in the other SF?

Also, is it just me, or does the OP have "underrated" and "overrated" backwards for what he is trying to insinuate?

11-12-2012, 08:58 AM	#1
McEnroeisanartist Professional Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 943	Nadal's performances have affected tournament significance Does anyone else think that Federer's achievement of 6 championships at the ATP Tour World Finals is underrated because his biggest rival, Nadal, has only reached one final there in his career, so it must not be that important of a tournament (some call it a glorified exhibition). While Nadal's achievement of 7 French Opens has been overrated because his biggest rival, Federer, has done so well there and Nadal has consistently beat him there. Last edited by McEnroeisanartist : 11-12-2012 at 09:04 AM. Reason: Nadal and Federer's performances have affected tournament significance

11-12-2012, 09:07 AM	#2
kishnabe G.O.A.T. Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 14,279	It just *******s who discredit WTF worth. __________________ Why fight over who is G.O.A.T., when the world is just an abstract of reality~ http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/525347

11-12-2012, 09:50 AM	#14
Towser83 Legend Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 7,665	Nadal winning 7 RG title is not over-rated. It's an amazing achievement. Though some people do under rate the WTF, and we know why. __________________ Federer, Djokovic, Delpo fan (also like Nalbandian, Dimitrov, Tsonga)

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