Will Federer Fall in a Tailspin? - Page 2

monfed · 11-12-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JeMar

If there's one thing that's set Federer apart from your average tour player is just how quickly he can forget bad losses. The guy has great selective memory.

Yea ok but his selective memory isnt' gonna win him squat in the future when he just CANNOT hang with these robots.

papertank · 11-12-2012, 03:50 PM

If was Federer I would not be discouraged by today. He did everything he could, he executed his game very well and made some amazing shots. The match could have very easily gone either way.

tennisaddict · 11-12-2012, 03:51 PM

31 year old Federer is still great. Today he played much much better with fewer shanks. He just failed during the clutch points. It is not going to happen this way every time. I think he still has 1 major left.

Candide · 11-12-2012, 04:17 PM

It's funny how the talk quickly goes to "owning", "crushing", "destroying" and so in these discussions. The margins between the top three (Nadal is an unknown known at this point) guys are tiny right now. The WTF could have easily swung the other way with a couple of balls clipping the line that were called out. Federer knows that, Djokovic knows that - there won't be any tailspin next year. Federer will still be a threat in all of the majors by virtue of the fact that he can beat anyone on any given day and there's a drop off to the next couple of guys Delpo and Berdych being obvious landmines. By adjusting his priorities, easing off on his schedule and staying slightly fresher next year I'm hoping to see number GS #18 at some point. Any slam would be good but French or Wimbledon would be delightful.

Murrayfan31 · 11-12-2012, 04:34 PM

Quick vote. Would you rather have the Well-Tempered Clavier or the World Tour Finals? I know this is random but we'll see the results. haha

psv255 · 11-12-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Murrayfan31

Quick vote. Would you rather have the Well-Tempered Clavier or the World Tour Finals? I know this is random but we'll see the results. haha

On the topic of randomness, you should add a Well-Tempered Cleaver.

World Tour Finals with Clavier playing on the changeovers

Al Czervik · 11-12-2012, 05:01 PM

Federer can beat anyone on any given day, but I think the days of him beating 2 or 3 out of Murray, Djoker, Del Potro, Rafa, Berdych, Tsonga, etc in one major may be over.

Federer20042006 · 11-12-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by monfed

I like Roger as much as the other Fed fan(not the pretentious "open-minded" Fed fans, you know who you are)(but guys like tennis_pro,vlbj,fed_rulz kishnabe,cheers folks you have my support ) but I have to put my hands up and say it's time to hang up his racquet, the man aint winning anything worth noting next season. Yes I do love watching him play, the guy is just so incredibly pleasing to the eye, but then these losses are too much...

Blowing a 40-15 5-4 lead on your best surface is just fracking atrocious. Please just retire already,Roger, you've had an unbelievable career!

What were you saying in 2009 when Davydenko blasted him off the court?

Federer was a mere 2 points away from winning the 1st set. He wins that, he probably wins the match. No reason to retire because he didn't win the big points today.

He's also clearly been fatigued for a while now. He was having to lunge to his forehand constantly and still hung in there.

ninman · 11-12-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by monfed

I like Roger as much as the other Fed fan(not the pretentious "open-minded" Fed fans, you know who you are)(but guys like tennis_pro,vlbj,fed_rulz kishnabe,cheers folks you have my support ) but I have to put my hands up and say it's time to hang up his racquet, the man aint winning anything worth noting next season. Yes I do love watching him play, the guy is just so incredibly pleasing to the eye, but then these losses are too much...

Blowing a 40-15 5-4 lead on your best surface is just fracking atrocious. Please just retire already,Roger, you've had an unbelievable career!

Federer has blown bigger leads than that. Lleyton Hewitt 2003 Davis Cup, for example.

ninman · 11-12-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by monfed

Yea ok but his selective memory isnt' gonna win him squat in the future when he just CANNOT hang with these robots.

I think the time to retire is not when you start losing, but when you stop enjoying it.

Sampras went 31 tournaments (I think) without a win, before he won the 2002 US Open, then decided he'd had enough.

Federer will know when it's time.

Netspirit · 11-12-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Murrayfan31

Quick vote. Would you rather have the Well-Tempered Clavier or the World Tour Finals? I know this is random but we'll see the results. haha

I rank Bach's Six Partitas higher than Federer's six WTFs.

Here's are two fragments of the 6-th one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p57LxblWUw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w3GXrFikG8

monfed · 11-12-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ninman

I think the time to retire is not when you start losing, but when you stop enjoying it.

Sampras went 31 tournaments (I think) without a win, before he won the 2002 US Open, then decided he'd had enough.

Federer will know when it's time.

I agree with you 100%,ninman. Don't mind me,I just feel aweful about Roger blowing this match when he had it in his grasp. Instead of being a magnificent end to 2012, it turned out to be a bit of an anticlimax,that's what's really sad about it. Reminds me of his 2005 TMC final with Nalbandian when he was serving at 5-4 30-0 in the final set I think it was.

And good lord I would never want Roger to retire, just watching him play is enough but I wish as a fan I don't have to deal with such crushing losses anymore(havent we as fed fans endured enough?),that is all. Have a pleasant day.

trenzterra · 11-12-2012, 07:22 PM

If you watched how Federer lost to Novak in the USO 2011 semis, this is nothing...

Netspirit · 11-12-2012, 08:35 PM

This was actually similar.

I could almost feel that Federer was going to lose the break advantage in the second. His service games began to feel very slow, labored, slimy as if he was not serving but returning - such difficult were all the points. After he was broken back, I could clearly see him losing in straights. The game became slower and slower, tougher and tougher, Federer stopped hitting to the corners and started to just return the ball to the middle. He was out of ideas. It reminded me of his loss to Djokovic at their last AO meeting - the same hopeless attempt to engage in topspin backhand rallies.

Federer gets into that mental trace when he sees the opponent is a mental wall, because for Federer, mental is part of the game, but Djokovic was not playing games with him. This is how Federer loses to Nadal typically - he plays very mechanically when he is not sure what else could work.

Compare Federer's tactics at the end of the match with those at the beginning. Initially he was creating geometry there, mixing things up, hitting hard, painting lines. End of the match: wall practice.

akv89 · 11-12-2012, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by monfed

I agree with you 100%,ninman. Don't mind me,I just feel aweful about Roger blowing this match when he had it in his grasp. Instead of being a magnificent end to 2012, it turned out to be a bit of an anticlimax,that's what's really sad about it. Reminds me of his 2005 TMC final with Nalbandian when he was serving at 5-4 30-0 in the final set I think it was.

And good lord I would never want Roger to retire, just watching him play is enough but I wish as a fan I don't have to deal with such crushing losses anymore(havent we as fed fans endured enough?),that is all. Have a pleasant day.

We've endured 17 majors.
This was not that bad a loss in comparison some of his more difficult losses (USO 2011, USO 2010, AO 2009, Wimbledon 2008, RG 2008 ).

Clarky21 · 11-12-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by veroniquem

It's possible. Then again that's what people said when Nadal took Wimbledon from him in 2008. Of course, Fed is older now and no matter how much he wants to deny it, he will have to face the fact that the end of the journey is nearing sooner than later. The best have been there and he'll have to get there too.

This entire post applies to Nadal more than it does to Fed. Too bad reality escapes you,and you can't see what's right in front of your face.

kimbahpnam · 11-12-2012, 09:24 PM

i've never heard anyone using the last tournament of the season before a break to gain confidence starting the next calendar year.

NadalDramaQueen · 11-12-2012, 09:31 PM

I don't think this loss was too bad. He had his chances, but he has blown matches much worse than this. If anything, this may be the kick in the pants he needs to play a couple of months of good tennis before he reverts back to being unable to close out matches again.

jokinla · 11-12-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Murrayfan31

I think so. This was the tournament he was supposed to win. Djokovic took it away from him. Federer has got to be a headcase right now. Who knows if Fed ever comes back from this crushing defeat. I feel bad for the guy.

You posted Federer several times here, clearly you meant Murray.

Murrayfan31 · 11-12-2012, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jokinla

You posted Federer several times here, clearly you meant Murray.

Nope. Federer's best surface is indoors. Murray prefers outdoors as he is great with the elements. US Open Final is a great example of that.

11-12-2012, 03:50 PM	#22
papertank Professional Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 822	If was Federer I would not be discouraged by today. He did everything he could, he executed his game very well and made some amazing shots. The match could have very easily gone either way. __________________ Federer in 2

11-12-2012, 04:17 PM	#24
Candide Rookie Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Melbourne Posts: 294	It's funny how the talk quickly goes to "owning", "crushing", "destroying" and so in these discussions. The margins between the top three (Nadal is an unknown known at this point) guys are tiny right now. The WTF could have easily swung the other way with a couple of balls clipping the line that were called out. Federer knows that, Djokovic knows that - there won't be any tailspin next year. Federer will still be a threat in all of the majors by virtue of the fact that he can beat anyone on any given day and there's a drop off to the next couple of guys Delpo and Berdych being obvious landmines. By adjusting his priorities, easing off on his schedule and staying slightly fresher next year I'm hoping to see number GS #18 at some point. Any slam would be good but French or Wimbledon would be delightful. __________________ “There is no best. There is just the discussion of who is best. Federer, he will always be in the first part of such a discussion.” Rino Tommasi

11-12-2012, 08:35 PM	#34
Netspirit Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 2,849	This was actually similar. I could almost feel that Federer was going to lose the break advantage in the second. His service games began to feel very slow, labored, slimy as if he was not serving but returning - such difficult were all the points. After he was broken back, I could clearly see him losing in straights. The game became slower and slower, tougher and tougher, Federer stopped hitting to the corners and started to just return the ball to the middle. He was out of ideas. It reminded me of his loss to Djokovic at their last AO meeting - the same hopeless attempt to engage in topspin backhand rallies. Federer gets into that mental trace when he sees the opponent is a mental wall, because for Federer, mental is part of the game, but Djokovic was not playing games with him. This is how Federer loses to Nadal typically - he plays very mechanically when he is not sure what else could work. Compare Federer's tactics at the end of the match with those at the beginning. Initially he was creating geometry there, mixing things up, hitting hard, painting lines. End of the match: wall practice. Last edited by Netspirit : 11-12-2012 at 08:39 PM.

11-12-2012, 09:24 PM	#37
kimbahpnam Hall Of Fame Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,673	i've never heard anyone using the last tournament of the season before a break to gain confidence starting the next calendar year. __________________ Custom weighted Babolat AeroPro Drive 2013

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