Will Federer Fall in a Tailspin?

[jokinla]

Originally Posted by Murrayfan31

Nope. Federer's best surface is indoors. Murray prefers outdoors as he is great with the elements. US Open Final is a great example of that.

Since 7 is greater than 6, I'm gonna say that grass is his best surface, but to answer your troll, sorry post, when I read things like "headcase", I think of Murray, not Fed, when I read, "fall in a tailspin", I recall Murray's losses to Donald Young and others last year and have the perfect image of someone in a tailspin.

[Magnus]

If Fed still wants to play tennis, he needs to work on some issues, yes, even at the age of 31. There's nothing much he can do with his physical game (except maybe work on his serve that failed him at WTF).

However, what Fed can do is work on his poor shot selection, analyze it and improve. I mean, just look at the first set TB against Nole. Fed just hit a glourious shot and manged to get back to 5-5. What does he do in the next point? Try to go for an impossible BH DTL on the first shot (where he knows the chances for making that one were very low) instead of trying to build a point.

Moving on to the 2nd set, Fed serves for the set at 5-4, 40-15. What does he do? Goes for the arrgoant FH inside out, it missed by very little, but nonetheless it missed. Fed goes on to lose 4 consecutive points (mostly on his own errors) to get broken. Then he gets broken again for the match after some horrible errors (missing by miles).

Now, if your not playing your best and can hit winners at a given moment, maybe go back to the basics instead of trying to force it? Why didn't he use the slice? The shot that always served him so well against Novak was barely used as an offensive tool, and instead he always tried to go toe to toe with the sometimes-great-but-mostly-inconsistent BH of his. The chip and charge that worked so well against Murray was gone, net game was barely there, and the serve failed him at the most crucial moments (usually its what saves him).

Fed could win this match, he had it, he played better than Novak for a big portion of the match, but him trying to go for highlight reels ultimately killed the match for him.

[Murrayfan31]

Originally Posted by jokinla

Since 7 is greater than 6, I'm gonna say that grass is his best surface, but to answer your troll, sorry post, when I read things like "headcase", I think of Murray, not Fed, when I read, "fall in a tailspin", I recall Murray's losses to Donald Young and others last year and have the perfect image of someone in a tailspin.

In recent years, indoors has been clearly his best surface. But yeah grass might be his best surface against Djokovic. Better yet indoor grass. He probably loses this year if it wasn't indoors.

[Mick3391]

Originally Posted by Murrayfan31

I think so. This was the tournament he was supposed to win. Djokovic took it away from him. Federer has got to be a headcase right now. Who knows if Fed ever comes back from this crushing defeat. I feel bad for the guy.

You feel bad for him? Mega millionaire, Tennis legend, and you feel sorry for him after a loss?

I'm not sure what you mean by "Crushing", I thought he played well, I mean think about what we are talking about here, I'm not a Djoke fan, but come on he's unbeleivable, all the top guys are, I can't believe any of them get criticism.

Anyone here play with a top pro? I have, a week ago I played Justin Bower, it was no contest, he is a BEAST. No matter how hard I hit it, no matter where, he was there, big smile on his face, jamming it back. These guys ALL at the top are incredible, we are talking about some of the best tennis players in the WORLD, they have few weakness'.

[sbengte]

Originally Posted by Murrayfan31

I think so. This was the tournament he was supposed to win. Djokovic took it away from him. Federer has got to be a headcase right now. Who knows if Fed ever comes back from this crushing defeat. I feel bad for the guy.

You may be right. He looks absolutely devastated and is unlikely to come back from this defeat as seen in this video shot just after his loss. I think he is even wiping away a few tears :

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/M...ost-Final.aspx

[joeri888]

Originally Posted by Murrayfan31

I think so. This was the tournament he was supposed to win. Djokovic took it away from him. Federer has got to be a headcase right now. Who knows if Fed ever comes back from this crushing defeat. I feel bad for the guy.

Yes. He'll be crushed. Just like he was crushed after that USO 2011 SF which he lost to Djokovic. So devastated, never came back. Same with that tiebreak yesterday. He was nowhere after that disappointment. The guy cannot cope with disappointing results.

[Tennis_Hands]

Originally Posted by sbengte

You may be right. He looks absolutely devastated and is unlikely to come back from this defeat as seen in this video shot just after his loss :

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/M...ost-Final.aspx

It is pathetic, how some people think, that a loss of a tennis match means the end of the world for a Pro player like Federer, Djokovic or Nadal.

[merlinpinpin]

Originally Posted by Murrayfan31

I think so. This was the tournament he was supposed to win. Djokovic took it away from him. Federer has got to be a headcase right now. Who knows if Fed ever comes back from this crushing defeat. I feel bad for the guy.

There is clearly a headcase in this thread, and something tells me it's not Federer. Oh well, I guess you can keep hoping...

Originally Posted by Murrayfan31

Murray is still young though. Plenty of time for him to gain confidence again. But Federer always used the indoor season to gain confidnece for the rest of the season. This is the first time in a while that he can't do that. It's like Nadal losing on clay.

And it’s so important to be full of confidence for December, right ?

[monfed]

Originally Posted by Magnus

If Fed still wants to play tennis, he needs to work on some issues, yes, even at the age of 31. There's nothing much he can do with his physical game (except maybe work on his serve that failed him at WTF).

However, what Fed can do is work on his poor shot selection, analyze it and improve. I mean, just look at the first set TB against Nole. Fed just hit a glourious shot and manged to get back to 5-5. What does he do in the next point? Try to go for an impossible BH DTL on the first shot (where he knows the chances for making that one were very low) instead of trying to build a point.

Moving on to the 2nd set, Fed serves for the set at 5-4, 40-15. What does he do? Goes for the arrgoant FH inside out, it missed by very little, but nonetheless it missed. Fed goes on to lose 4 consecutive points (mostly on his own errors) to get broken. Then he gets broken again for the match after some horrible errors (missing by miles).

Now, if your not playing your best and can hit winners at a given moment, maybe go back to the basics instead of trying to force it? Why didn't he use the slice? The shot that always served him so well against Novak was barely used as an offensive tool, and instead he always tried to go toe to toe with the sometimes-great-but-mostly-inconsistent BH of his. The chip and charge that worked so well against Murray was gone, net game was barely there, and the serve failed him at the most crucial moments (usually its what saves him).

Fed could win this match, he had it, he played better than Novak for a big portion of the match, but him trying to go for highlight reels ultimately killed the match for him.

Excellent analysis,right on the money.

[sandiegoman]

Originally Posted by Magnus

If Fed still wants to play tennis, he needs to work on some issues, yes, even at the age of 31. There's nothing much he can do with his physical game (except maybe work on his serve that failed him at WTF).

However, what Fed can do is work on his poor shot selection, analyze it and improve. I mean, just look at the first set TB against Nole. Fed just hit a glourious shot and manged to get back to 5-5. What does he do in the next point? Try to go for an impossible BH DTL on the first shot (where he knows the chances for making that one were very low) instead of trying to build a point.

Moving on to the 2nd set, Fed serves for the set at 5-4, 40-15. What does he do? Goes for the arrgoant FH inside out, it missed by very little, but nonetheless it missed. Fed goes on to lose 4 consecutive points (mostly on his own errors) to get broken. Then he gets broken again for the match after some horrible errors (missing by miles).

Now, if your not playing your best and can hit winners at a given moment, maybe go back to the basics instead of trying to force it? Why didn't he use the slice? The shot that always served him so well against Novak was barely used as an offensive tool, and instead he always tried to go toe to toe with the sometimes-great-but-mostly-inconsistent BH of his. The chip and charge that worked so well against Murray was gone, net game was barely there, and the serve failed him at the most crucial moments (usually its what saves him).

Fed could win this match, he had it, he played better than Novak for a big portion of the match, but him trying to go for highlight reels ultimately killed the match for him.

I agree - great analysis of the match

[Feather]

Originally Posted by Magnus

If Fed still wants to play tennis, he needs to work on some issues, yes, even at the age of 31. There's nothing much he can do with his physical game (except maybe work on his serve that failed him at WTF).

However, what Fed can do is work on his poor shot selection, analyze it and improve. I mean, just look at the first set TB against Nole. Fed just hit a glourious shot and manged to get back to 5-5. What does he do in the next point? Try to go for an impossible BH DTL on the first shot (where he knows the chances for making that one were very low) instead of trying to build a point.

Moving on to the 2nd set, Fed serves for the set at 5-4, 40-15. What does he do? Goes for the arrgoant FH inside out, it missed by very little, but nonetheless it missed. Fed goes on to lose 4 consecutive points (mostly on his own errors) to get broken. Then he gets broken again for the match after some horrible errors (missing by miles).

Now, if your not playing your best and can hit winners at a given moment, maybe go back to the basics instead of trying to force it? Why didn't he use the slice? The shot that always served him so well against Novak was barely used as an offensive tool, and instead he always tried to go toe to toe with the sometimes-great-but-mostly-inconsistent BH of his. The chip and charge that worked so well against Murray was gone, net game was barely there, and the serve failed him at the most crucial moments (usually its what saves him).

Fed could win this match, he had it, he played better than Novak for a big portion of the match, but him trying to go for highlight reels ultimately killed the match for him.

Everyone knows how the ship could have been saved after it has sunk!

Well, the point is had Roger converted that impossible BH DTL or that arrogant inside out, we all would have been singing his praises instead of blaming him.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by Magnus

Now, if your not playing your best and can hit winners at a given moment, maybe go back to the basics instead of trying to force it? Why didn't he use the slice? The shot that always served him so well against Novak was barely used as an offensive tool, and instead he always tried to go toe to toe with the sometimes-great-but-mostly-inconsistent BH of his. The chip and charge that worked so well against Murray was gone, net game was barely there, and the serve failed him at the most crucial moments (usually its what saves him).

Fed could win this match, he had it, he played better than Novak for a big portion of the match, but him trying to go for highlight reels ultimately killed the match for him.

It was not Federer's bh that was the problem in most of that match, it was his forehand that kept on breaking down and that Djokovic was exposing.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Tennis_Hands

It is pathetic, how some people think, that a loss of a tennis match means the end of the world for a Pro player like Federer, Djokovic or Nadal.

Well,according to many *********s and *******s on here,Nadal is missing all this time because he was "devastated" by his loss to Rosol,and not because he has a knee injury. He's been out of tennis for nearly 6 months because his pride is hurt,and not because he has 90 year old knees.