Nadal's performances have affected tournament significance

[zagor]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

This is true. I mean,do people think is tougher competiton between Cvac and Roddick? How about between Murray and Ljubicic? There is no comparison between those guys at all.

First of all Fed never played Ljubicic in slams (he's as much as his rival as David Ferrer is today) though his greatest triumph (winning a masters title)did come in the strong era year of 2010 (beat both Nadal and Novak on the way to the title btw.).

Secondly Mustard in his post didn't list Fed's (and/or Nadal's for comparison) H2H with Roddick which is my point basically, as you would say Clarky, Nadal fans need to make up their mind

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by zagor

First of all Fed never played Ljubicic in slams (he's as much as his rival as David Ferrer is today) though his greatest triumph (winning a masters title)did come in the strong era year of 2010 (beat both Nadal and Novak on the way to the title btw.).

Secondly Mustard in his post didn't list Fed's (and/or Nadal's for comparison) H2H with Roddick which is my point basically, as you would say Clarky, Nadal fans need to make up their mind

Ljubicic was ranked 3 in the world at one point during Fed's peak/prime(IIRC). He is of that generation,which is all I was trying to say.


And Nadal losing to Ljubicic at IW was a disaster for him,and Nadal should have been embarrassed for losing that match.

[zagor]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Ljubicic was ranked 3 in the world at one point during Fed's peak/prime(IIRC). He is of that generation,which is all I was trying to say.

Yes but he never faced off with Fed in slams (that I recall anyway) so given the value slams have over every other tourney in this era it's hard to look at him as a rival, not to mention that he ended the year as #5.

As I said, a good comparison is David Ferrer (although he's certainly better than Ljubo), he could have ended the year #4 if he won a few more matches, still wouldn't consider him to be a main rival for the top guys.

However, that still doesn't really have anything do with my main point.

Originally Posted by Clarky21

And Nadal losing to Ljubicic at IW was a disaster for him,and Nadal should have been embarrassed for losing that match.

Was it an "amazing disaster" ?

But you still gotta give props to Ljubo for winning a masters title in a strong era (when Gods walked the earth) in his 30s.

[Sabratha]

I don't think it takes anything away from their achievements.