Who's ready for Sandy?! - Page 10

chrischris · 11-12-2012, 01:52 PM

Apparently not.

r2473 · 11-12-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chrischris

Yes i do.

I have access to the latest in observations and peer reviewed state of the art
understanding of the processes of climate. Aka climatology.

I and my family have real life interaction with it and that has enabled me to see firsthand consequences and mitigation in places like New York, Shanghai, Masdar City, Amsterdam,Oslo,Copenhagen and Kairo.
The Germans and the Dutch are particularly ahead on these issues and city and business planning increasingly are influenced by the reality of the issue.
Freiburg in Germany and Venlo in Holland are cities that are good examples.
There are good examples of cooperation between the scientific and the fossil fuel industries in Norway.

What real life work and education experience of climatology do you have that makes you feel you are able to assess the situation?

Could you share your findings with the group?

chrischris · 11-12-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by r2473

Could you share your findings with the group?

'The group'?

r2473 · 11-12-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chrischris

'The group'?

OK, just with me.

chrischris · 11-13-2012, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by r2473

OK, just with me.

How ?

My innovative capacities are not limitless.

Seriously though, what do you want to know?
What do you already know and from where do you get most of your information that you base your understanding on ?

stringertom · 11-13-2012, 05:24 AM

Nice gratitude by a random NY bozo...a visiting electrical lineman from Florida was jumped and beaten as he was getting out of his power truck; broken jaw, nose and skull fractures. So much for trying to pay back the help we got from all our storms!

chrischris · 11-13-2012, 05:37 AM

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Nice gratitude by a random NY bozo...a visiting electrical lineman from Florida was jumped and beaten as he was getting out of his power truck; broken jaw, nose and skull fractures. So much for trying to pay back the help we got from all our storms!

WTF!

Is this in the news somewhere ? do you have a source?

Bartelby · 11-13-2012, 05:38 AM

Italy is now currently awash.

bad_call · 11-13-2012, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by stringertom

Nice gratitude by a random NY bozo...a visiting electrical lineman from Florida was jumped and beaten as he was getting out of his power truck; broken jaw, nose and skull fractures. So much for trying to pay back the help we got from all our storms!

tom - would be helpful if u cite the article next time.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...and&id=8883202

chrischris · 11-13-2012, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bad_call

tom - would be helpful if u cite the article next time.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...and&id=8883202

Lights out apparently takes on new meaning.

stringertom · 11-13-2012, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bad_call

tom - would be helpful if u cite the article next time.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...and&id=8883202

Local TV morning news was my source so I couldn't give a link...thanks for providing it!

chrischris · 11-13-2012, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bartelby

Italy is now currently awash.

They are chanting an old Beatles tune an ode to the times at hand some say.. 'We all live in a yellow ...-...... ', in tune and with passion.

dParis · 11-13-2012, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chrischris

No. Is this a another way of pretending you know better?

"Know better"? Knowledge, through misinterpretation or without proper application is useless (or worse).

Are you claiming some worthwhile knowledge?

chrischris · 11-13-2012, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dParis

"Know better"? Knowledge, through misinterpretation or without proper application is useless (or worse).

Are you claiming some worthwhile knowledge?

What is your current understanding of climate and anthropogenic climate change ?

And from where do you get the facts and news and stats that form your view?

r2473 · 11-13-2012, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chrischris

Seriously though, what do you want to know?
What do you already know and from where do you get most of your information that you base your understanding on ?

Start from the beginning. I know nearly nothing. I get my (mis)information from rumor and innuendo.

chrischris · 11-13-2012, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by r2473

Start from the beginning. I know nearly nothing. I get my (mis)information from rumor and innuendo.

Thats a tall order.
What is the little then that you have in fact gathered so far?

r2473 · 11-13-2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chrischris

Thats a tall order.
What is the little then that you have in fact gathered so far?

That warming/cooling happens in cycles, but the current warming cycle is more dramatic than anything in the past, so there must be a component of warming attributable to man's greenhouse gas emissions. How much is not known.

I also understand the current levels are not alarming, but if the trend continues, we could be in trouble a few decades down the road, at which point it will be very hard to reverse.

DRII · 11-13-2012, 09:50 AM

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

The trillions of tons of man-made emission has to have an effect of some kind!

chrischris · 11-14-2012, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by r2473

That warming/cooling happens in cycles, but the current warming cycle is more dramatic than anything in the past, so there must be a component of warming attributable to man's greenhouse gas emissions. How much is not known.

I also understand the current levels are not alarming, but if the trend continues, we could be in trouble a few decades down the road, at which point it will be very hard to reverse.

Are you under the impression that climate is cyclical that warm periods are countered by cold periods in predicatable time and in roughly similar size?
They arent , cliamte does change only when there is an extra forcing on it.
For example increase or decrease of CO2 and or sun radiation .

It is known that burning of fossil fuels add around 29 gigatons of carbon to the other wise naturally ongoing carbon cycle.
That is upsetting the natural cycle of carbon. AKA global warming and in addition ocean acidification on a global scale and rapidity quite 'impressive'

The current levels are actually very alarming already and will escalate due to the fact CO2 accumulates and therefore doesnt go away quickly and emissions are quickly accelerating.
A good intervall in in the 280 parts per million range to max 350 ppm. we are above that already .

You are correct in assuming that the lag in the system makes it so that once it all can make inroads such as droughts , floods and change of jet streams + ocean currents , yes then its quite too late to act and assume our lives will be remotely similar to the high and safe health and security in all our everyday lives we enjoy so much.
That is why acting now pays hugely as opposed to waiting.

Hope this will be of help.

chrischris · 11-15-2012, 08:44 AM

Here is a summary of facts on what caused Sandy :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDxXJnqbLeM

(Chad Myer ,CNN weather center ,a bit into the video)

11-13-2012, 05:24 AM	#186
stringertom Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,933	Nice gratitude by a random NY bozo...a visiting electrical lineman from Florida was jumped and beaten as he was getting out of his power truck; broken jaw, nose and skull fractures. So much for trying to pay back the help we got from all our storms! __________________ "I am easily satisfied by the very best." Sir Winston Churchill; ALLEZ ROGI!

11-13-2012, 05:38 AM	#188
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