Interesting stat - Fed is 0-9 vs Nole after losing 1st set

[kragster]

Fed has never come back after losing the 1st set to Nole in 9 attempts.

Comparatively, he has comeback twice vs Rafa (in 15 attempts) after losing the 1st set and twice vs Murray (in 8 attempts). Of course the sample size is not large enough to make a conclusive comment but is there an underlying reason here we can speculate about as to why Fed has been less successful in making a comeback vs Nole?

[McEnroeisanartist]

Originally Posted by kragster

Fed has never come back after losing the 1st set to Nole in 9 attempts.

Comparatively, he has comeback twice vs Rafa (in 15 attempts) after losing the 1st set and twice vs Murray (in 8 attempts). Of course the sample size is not large enough to make a conclusive comment but is there an underlying reason here we can speculate about as to why Fed has been less successful in making a comeback vs Nole?

Novak is a tremendous front runner.

[6-1 6-3 6-0]

Just shows that Federer isn't much of a fighter.

[tennisaddict]

Originally Posted by 6-1 6-3 6-0

Just shows that Federer isn't much of a fighter.

Very true. I think he sucks at losing the 1st set, ends up winning mostly.

[Sabratha]

Federer loses momentum after losing the first set, and promptly loses.

[Djokodal Fan]

does not have mental toughness. So much for being a GOAT....hmmmm

[Tony48]

H2H notes (that I posted on another board):


1. Overall H2H: 16-13, Federer

2. Career H2H in finals: 4-4

Djokovic: 4 (2012 World Tour Finals, 2011 Dubai, 2009 Basel, 2007 Canada)
Federer: 4 (2012 Cincinnati, 2010 Basel, 2009 Cincinnati, 2007 U.S. Open)

3. After losing the 1st set: 0-9 for Federer, 4-20 for Djokovic
Federer has never come back after losing the 1st set against Djokovic (which makes the 1st set all the more important for Federer)
Djokovic has come back 4 times in his career against Federer, most famously in his 2010 and 2011 U.S. Open semi-finals (saving 2 match points in both matches)

[kishnabe]

I will bump the Day Federer comes back from a 1st deficet against Novak.

[90's Clay]

Fed was always deadly while hes enjoying a comfortable lead. He never was comfortable with fighters that kept throwing the 1-2 Punch combo vs him and never just roll over and die.

Before it was Nadal.. Now its Nole.

In that respect, yea Fed isn't much of a fighter or a guy who relishes the pressure

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by kishnabe

I will bump the Day Federer comes back from a 1st deficet against Novak.

If they get a chance to meet again

[kishnabe]

Originally Posted by dr325i

If they get a chance to meet again

True, Murray will take care of Novak for Roger

[zagor]

What a great thread, I think the main reason is that Fed is so mentally weak and such an overrated lucky player that thrived in a weak era and would have never won anything of note in this strong era and bla bla bla.. Rafa warrior bla bla bla Sampras bla bla bla...

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Fed was always deadly while hes enjoying a comfortable lead. He never was comfortable with fighters that kept throwing the 1-2 Punch combo vs him and never just roll over and die.

Before it was Nadal.. Now its Nole.

In that respect, yea Fed isn't much of a fighter or a guy who relishes the pressure

Oh God, I could have honestly predicted almost word for word what were you going to say, annoying Petros fanatic that you are.

Yes, now it's Nole, yet Fed still beat Nole at Wimbledon this year and still made it far enough to face him at WTF (of course he had to qualify first at the age of 31), do you see where I'm going with this?

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by zagor

What a great thread, I think the main reason is that Fed is so mentally weak and such an overrated lucky player that thrived in a weak era and would have never won anything of note in this strong era and bla bla bla.. Rafa warrior bla bla bla Sampras bla bla bla...



Oh God, I could have honestly predicted almost word for word what were you going to say, annoying Petros fanatic that you are.

Yes, now it's Nole, yet Fed still beat Nole at Wimbledon this year and still made it far enough to face him at WTF (of course he had to qualify first at the age of 31), do you see where I'm going with this?

Federer is the GOAT.

[Dean]

Originally Posted by Djokodal Fan

does not have mental toughness. So much for being a GOAT....hmmmm

After losing the first set the top 4's records are as follows:

Djokoivic - 64-103 38.3%
Federer - 97-142 40.6%
Murray - 59-98 37.6%
Nadal - 64-94 40.5%

[DragonBlaze]

Originally Posted by Dean

After losing the first set the top 4's records are as follows:

Djokoivic - 64-103 38.3%
Federer - 97-142 40.6%
Murray - 59-98 37.6%
Nadal - 64-94 40.5%

LOL!!! Nice find!! Surprised that Fed is above Nadal though (although negligible difference really).

[djokovic2008]

Nole is a great front runner and when confident starts to take huge rips at the ball when infront. His record in general after winning the 1st set is great.

[zagor]

Originally Posted by Dean

After losing the first set the top 4's records are as follows:

Djokovic - 64-103 38.3%
Federer - 97-142 40.6%
Murray - 59-98 37.6%
Nadal - 64-94 40.5%

LOL! And the rest of the 3 still have to reach the twilight stage of their career when any sort of during the match comebacks will presumably become harder.

But you see, it's unfair to simply compare stats because Rafa played in a completely different era than Fed and is injured/tired all the time (less injured/tired when he wins, more when he loses naturally), it's only through his sheer mental will and his never-say-die attitude that he even managed to get to 40.5%.

[zagor]

Originally Posted by Sabratha

Federer is the GOAT.

Nope, not even once have I claimed that, ever.

Nice try, though.

[kOaMaster]

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Reliabil...reer-List.aspx

1. Bjorn Borg .000 - 0-0 .954 - 524-25
2. Novak Djokovic .984 - 63-1 .953 - 405-20
3. Rafael Nadal .952 - 39-2 .949 - 519-28
4. Jimmy Connors .000 - 0-0 .946 - 1077-62
5. John McEnroe .000 - 0-0 .943 - 773-47
6. Ivan Lendl .000 - 0-0 .934 - 932-66
7. Roger Federer .967 - 59-2 .933 - 781-56
8. Andy Murray .880 - 44-6 .928 - 320-25
9. Eddie Dibbs .000 - 0-0 .925 - 494-40
10. Juan Martin Del Potro .937 - 59-3 .924 - 218-18


Djokovic is endeed a very good front runner. Although one mustn't be decieved by the numbers: borg retired early, novak & rafa are in the middle of their career as well, connors & lendl played many "weak draw"-tournaments and didn't compete with the top10 in over 75% of the tournaments per year.

overall it seems to be that this stat proves at least it is not a weak era, but a very strong top4.

Plus: honestly, never heard of Dibbs before.

[Steve0904]

Interestingly, I believe Federer has lost 4 matches to Murray after winning the first set, and I think 2 against Djokovic, but as kOaMaster points out, I'll be interested to see how this stat changes as these guys age.