WORLD NO. 1 (by year)

[kiki]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

kiki,

Unfortunately I have not impressed you much with the records I have given to you.

I have seen Hewitt/McMillan and was impressed. They surely were one of the best doubles but never No. 2. Hoad/Rosewall were stronger, f. i.

I have already written that in the first three open era years H/M lost deciding matches in the majors: to the three big Aussie formations plus even to Okker/Riessen.

They dominated only after the best doubles duos became old or had retired.

H/M won many South African titles with poor competition.

So, you don´t consider Fleming/Mc Enroe a " dominating" team? Please, let´s talk seriously.

Okker/Riessen were a very good team but can´t compare with the record of the two Southafricans ( remember Hewitt is Australian born).

Hoad/Rosewall probably had more potential than reality, because they turned pros very early.I am sure they would have dominated the Gran Slam titles if remained amateur.Would have been great see them against Emerson/Stolle or Emerson/Laver and, of course, against Newcombe/Roche.

The first great team from Australia were Bromwich and Dr Quist, followed by Sedgman and Ken Mc Gregor.Both teams could beat any other team ever formed at any time.

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

kiki,

I don't have a problem but I would ask you to be objective with Hewitt/McMillan.

Why so harsh? I respect you as a true expert.

Hewitt/McMillan don't have the record number in majors. They "only" have won five.
Newcombe/Roche have won 12 (official record)

Best record have Hoad/Rosewall with 15 majors!

You know that 1972 was a Wimbledon boycott year (pros did not play)...

Hoad/Rosewall with 15? Has to be the best.

[BobbyOne]

kiki,

In your admiration for Hewitt/McMillan you seem to misread my words.See post 917!

I never wrote about the domination or not domination of Fleming/McEnroe (we only could say that they were not in their prime in 197.

I did write about the domination of Hewitt/McMillan and contradicted your wrong claim that H/M dominated a whole decade.

I never wrote that Okker/Riessen can compare with H/M. I just wrote that they beat your darlings in a major.

You should accept that Hewitt/McMillan (who I always rank as top team) did not win an open major for 1968 to 1971 when the three Aussie formations dominated.

And please stop writing Gran Slam....

[Dan Lobb]

Originally Posted by Dan Lobb

Hoad/Rosewall with 15? Has to be the best.

To win 15 major titles, that is the top. They knew each others' moves like brothers.
They did not link up in 1959, when Hoad teamed with Anderson or Trabert, but starting in 1960 they dominated the scene.
They also dominated the amateurs from 1952 to 1956, and Hopman's attempts to substitute Hartwig for Rosewall were very strange.

[krosero]

So who's #1 for the year, as of now?

[pc1]

Originally Posted by krosero

So who's #1 for the year, as of now?

Djokovic hasn't had a good year winning only three tournaments.

Murray is possible because he won the Olympics which is sort of a semi major and the US Open but only three tournaments in total.

Nadal won the French but is hurt.

I would go with Federer for now. He's won 6 tournaments including Wimbledon. He's had the most consistent year.

[NonP]

Originally Posted by pc1

Djokovic hasn't had a good year winning only three tournaments.

On the other hand he's been the most consistent at the majors. One could certainly argue that he's the real No. 1 right now.

Murray is possible because he won the Olympics which is sort of a semi major and the US Open but only three tournaments in total.

Possible, but not very probable. Basically he'll need to sweep the indoor season.

Nadal won the French but is hurt.

He could have a case if he came back and led his team to another DC title, but he hasn't played any ties this year.

I would go with Federer for now. He's won 6 tournaments including Wimbledon. He's had the most consistent year.

It's a close call between him and Djoko at this point. The WTF (BTW WTF were they thinking when they chose the new name?) will help decide things.

[hoodjem]

This is a tougher year to call, but I say . . .

Federer (or Djokovic).

Maybe the WTF will decide it.

[pc1]

Originally Posted by NonP

On the other hand he's been the most consistent at the majors. One could certainly argue that he's the real No. 1 right now.



Possible, but not very probable. Basically he'll need to sweep the indoor season.



He could have a case if he came back and led his team to another DC title, but he hasn't played any ties this year.



It's a close call between him and Djoko at this point. The WTF (BTW WTF were they thinking when they chose the new name?) will help decide things.

On a subjective basis I do think Djokovic can be argued to be the best player. Yet I'm not sure if anyone this year played at the level Murray had at the Olympics in the last two rounds.

It'll be interesting.

[CyBorg]

Four-way tie!

[pc1]

Originally Posted by CyBorg

Four-way tie!

That would be interesting.

[Mustard]

It was very close at the top in 1983, with McEnroe, Wilander, Connors and Lendl.

[TMF]

Originally Posted by CyBorg

Four-way tie!

base on what? The slam they each won?

Fed has the most titles with 6, and Nole is leading the atp point race. Nadal has NO result after Wimbledon. So no, they are not tie.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Mustard

It was very close at the top in 1983, with McEnroe, Wilander, Connors and Lendl.

Not in my book.Lendl didn´t win a major, Connors, other than winning the USO had a lousy year, Wilander won the Australian but failed elsewhere, and mac won the biggest one and also dominated the two indoor majors , with his win against Lendl at Dallas being, by far, the best match of the year.

Mac hands down in 83.

[CyBorg]

Originally Posted by TMF

base on what? The slam they each won?

Fed has the most titles with 6, and Nole is leading the atp point race. Nadal has NO result after Wimbledon. So no, they are not tie.

Find a hobby.

[hoodjem]

Do we agree that Nadal and Murray are not in the discussion?

[5555]

Djokovic is the No. 1 in 2012.

[hoodjem]

(Sssshhhhhh. Don't tell TMF.)

[hoodjem]

Originally Posted by 5555

Djokovic is the No. 1 in 2012.

Yep. ATP World Tour Finals certainly settled that.

2000—Kuerten
2001—Hewitt
2002—Hewitt(2)
2003—Roddick
2004—Federer
2005—Federer
2006—Federer
2007—Federer
2008—Nadal
2009—Federer(5)
2010—Nadal(2)
2011—Djokovic
2012—Djokovic(2)

[NadalDramaQueen]

Originally Posted by hoodjem

Yep. ATP World Tour Finals certainly settled that.

Nope, Federer stole Novak's chair, therefore he is the real number one.