Federer's Records Against the Big 4 Since 2008

[wangs78]

Also - we should all remember that the age factor is against Roger for all of these years. I would say in 2008 or 2009 the odds were still perhaps neutral, but by 2010 and later, Rafa, Nole and Murray were all coming into their physical prime while Roger was moving past that. The fact that he still remains competitive is incredibly impressive just by itself. Let's not forget how Sampras lost in the USO final in 2000 and 2001 in straight sets when he was still only 28 and 29 versus a couple of teenagers (Hewitt and Safin) who had a fraction of the talent or consistency of Rafa, Nole and Murray. Roger is well past his physical prime - yet he still takes these younger challengers to 5 grueling sets (think USO SF 2010 and 2011 against Djokovic). But yes it's clear that today his rivals have a significant edge in sustaining long rallies and Roger is resorting more and more to his shotmaking/offensive talent and, to his credit, remains competitive (but increasingly coming up short in the big moments).

[Bursztyn]

While Roger is definitely aging better that Pete, Sampras was 30 in 2001 USO final.

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by Spider

I think Federer cannot beat Djokovic, Murray or Nadal (if he comes back ever). Those days of beating them are in the past.

For Federer to win a tournament, someone will have to beat these three guys.

No. Wimbledon 2012.

[tennisaddict]

Originally Posted by 6-1 6-3 6-0

Yes, how impressive of Federer to lose the majority of his matches against them.

It is impressive considering Fed is 6 years older to them and still be able to be world no 2

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by tennisaddict

It is impressive considering Fed is 6 years older to them and still be able to be world no 2

An impressive Agassi run perhaps?

[Federer20042006]

This is exactly why I don't think Federer is the GOAT. I realize a lot of that is Nadal, but it's not like Federer has decisively owned Djokovic since his emergence, and Murray used to own Federer until the supposed crippled Federer started to even it out over the past 3 years.

[Mustard]

Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist

Federer Against Big 4 (Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray)

2008 - 3-8
2009 - 5-6
2010 - 7-4
2011 - 2-7
2012 - 6-6
Total 23-31

Nadal's:

2008: 11-3 (4-0 vs. Federer, 4-2 vs. Djokovic, 3-1 vs. Murray)
2009: 7-5 (1-1 vs. Federer, 4-3 vs. Djokovic, 2-1 vs. Murray)
2010: 5-3 (1-1 vs. Federer, 2-0 vs. Djokovic, 2-2 vs. Murray)
2011: 7-8 (3-1 vs. Federer, 0-6 vs. Djokovic, 4-1 vs. Murray)
2012: 4-2 (1-1 vs. Federer, 3-1 vs. Djokovic, 0-0 vs. Murray)

Total: 34-21

[zagor]

Originally Posted by Federer20042006

This is exactly why I don't think Federer is the GOAT.

I don't consider anyone to be GOAT really (though if pushed I'd probably go with Laver), I think having different tiers is the way to go.

Originally Posted by Federer20042006

I realize a lot of that is Nadal

Nadal always was trouble for Fed.

Originally Posted by Federer20042006

but it's not like Federer has decisively owned Djokovic since his emergence...

Why is Fed supposed to "decisively" own Novak exactly? Novak is a terrific player.

Originally Posted by Federer20042006

...and Murray used to own Federer until the supposed crippled Federer started to even it out over the past 3 years.

Well Fed did get the better of Murray in their slam meetings "decisively" (lost one set overall in 3 meetings) so you could say he won their most important meetings but again why is this particular H2H so important? Would Fed be a greater player if he retired now, instead of soldering on against 5-6 younger players and still giving us a good show?

Seriously, H2H isn't everything.

[Biscuitmcgriddleson]

Originally Posted by 6-1 6-3 6-0

Yes, how impressive of Federer to lose the majority of his matches against them.

ROSOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

With a name like that, you should be use to this. I'd rather lose to one of the top 4, then some lower ranked player. I mean, wouldn't any logical person want to lose to a better player rather than an inferior one?

[tennisaddict]

Originally Posted by Federer20042006

This is exactly why I don't think Federer is the GOAT. I realize a lot of that is Nadal, but it's not like Federer has decisively owned Djokovic since his emergence, and Murray used to own Federer until the supposed crippled Federer started to even it out over the past 3 years.

Please remember his career is spread over 3 eras. 99-03,04-08, 09-12. The players you are comparing are a full 5-6 years younger. This thread is meaningless without the context. It should be viewed that Fed has a decent record inspite of the age difference. GOAT does not mean he will have positive H2H till he dies.

[TMF]

These players are in their prime and 6 years younger than Federer so give him some slack. Laver lost to a near 42 years old Gonazles. Sampras lost to a young Hewitt and Federer.

[djokovic2008]

Originally Posted by tennisaddict

It is impressive considering Fed is 6 years older to them and still be able to be world no 2

No its not that impressive at all just ok at best.

[joeri888]

Originally Posted by wangs78

What are these numbers minus Nadal?

I think he's only as bad as 4-6 against Nadal or something since 2009. In 2008 he went 0-4 though.

[Candide]

Originally Posted by wangs78

What are these numbers minus Nadal?

Accurate. No?

[Flash O'Groove]

Originally Posted by batz

What are the records of the other 3 members of the Big 4?

Nadal is 33-22, Nole, 31-31, Murray 22-25 and Federer 21-31.

Other interesting statistics since 2008:

Nadal won 8 slams, 12 master 1000, 6 other tournament, including one olympics, for a total of 27 victories.
Nole won 5 slams, 11 master 1000, 2 masters, and 8 other tournaments for a total of 26 victories.
Murray won 1 slam, 8 master 1000, 11 other tournaments including one olympics for a total of 21 victories.
Federer won 5 slams, 7 master 1000, 2 masters ans 8 other tournaments for a total of 22 victories.

[McEnroeisanartist]

Originally Posted by Flash O'Groove

Nadal is 33-22, Nole, 31-31, Murray 22-25 and Federer 21-31.

Other interesting statistics since 2008:

Nadal won 8 slams, 12 master 1000, 6 other tournament, including one olympics, for a total of 27 victories.
Nole won 5 slams, 11 master 1000, 2 masters, and 8 other tournaments for a total of 26 victories.
Murray won 1 slam, 8 master 1000, 11 other tournaments including one olympics for a total of 21 victories.
Federer won 5 slams, 7 master 1000, 2 masters ans 8 other tournaments for a total of 22 victories.

Yes, I would say the old man has held his own in the last five years. Really thought Nadal would have won a lot more than 8 slams in 5 years.

[kOaMaster]

Originally Posted by McEnroeisanartist

Yes, I would say the old man has held his own in the last five years. Really thought Nadal would have won a lot more than 8 slams in 5 years.

really? I think 8 slams is a lot, I didn't expect that at the beginning of 2008, not even after 2008. I think nadal did quiet good. It's not like he's over now and it was obvious he will never be the hardcourt threat djokovic or federer is/was

[McEnroeisanartist]

Originally Posted by kOaMaster

really? I think 8 slams is a lot, I didn't expect that at the beginning of 2008, not even after 2008. I think nadal did quiet good. It's not like he's over now and it was obvious he will never be the hardcourt threat djokovic or federer is/was

I guess I was thinking of Sampras who did 9 slams in 5 years, and Nadal is a more dominant player than Sampras. or Federer who did 12 slams in 5 years.

[batz]

Originally Posted by Flash O'Groove

Nadal is 33-22, Nole, 31-31, Murray 22-25 and Federer 21-31.

Other interesting statistics since 2008:

Nadal won 8 slams, 12 master 1000, 6 other tournament, including one olympics, for a total of 27 victories.
Nole won 5 slams, 11 master 1000, 2 masters, and 8 other tournaments for a total of 26 victories.
Murray won 1 slam, 8 master 1000, 11 other tournaments including one olympics for a total of 21 victories.
Federer won 5 slams, 7 master 1000, 2 masters ans 8 other tournaments for a total of 22 victories.

Thanks.

Interesting to se Rafa 'out in front' as it were. That said, a lot of that will be down to his ownage of Murray on the H2H.

[joeri888]

Originally Posted by batz

Thanks.

Interesting to se Rafa 'out in front' as it were. That said, a lot of that will be down to his ownage of Murray on the H2H.

He's 10-4 against Fed since 2008. Now if this was since 2009, we'd talk different.

Btw, what's the HC h2h's?