Federer wants faster surfaces

[veroniquem]

As I said, players themselves have conflicted impressions about courts. Which means one can discuss court speed until the end of time and people will never agree.

[Sartorius]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

So Hewitt says the WTF courts were slow and Fed said they were fast. Great consensus there.

Where did Fed say that?

[2ManyAces]

I can only imagine that Rafa will now call for slower courts

[SoBad]

Originally Posted by VPhuc tennis fan

Wow, wow, wow! Did u drink whiskey getting out of bed this morning? The few posts I've seen from you suggests not only "morning" but all day long, sunrise to sunset (leather,wash, rinse, repeat to infinity).
Nadal...about to enter his primer?!!! WTF (nothing to do with the tournament that just ended)! Good to sleep through half of the year dreaming about your Rafa, huh?
"cheap slams, evade taxes, criminal tax havens, ..." What are u now? Accountant, IRS auditor? Lots of CHEAP accusations. Evidence (please no Bleacher Report, or National Inquirer, or Stars if you know what I mean).
Envy is one of the 7 deadliest sin, you know it right? Brad Pitt's early movie w/ Morgan Freeman. Watch it if you want to know what I mean. Good drinking now.

There is no envy in my heart, you fresh green troll. My heart and mind are purer than the first snowflake of the winter that floats in the air as it falls from the sky.

German players, as you well know, have a well-documented history of criminal behaviour toward competition. While I am not in the position to punish them for their despicable conduct, as a member of the public and a good decent person, I should be permitted to voice my honest opinion of outrage and disdain, shared by wide masses of freightened and silenced decent people, for the criminal behaviour of talentless players who piled up cheap slams in a weak era and channeled stolen money into money-laundering places.

[mistik]

Stupid guy stupid excuses.This is an exactly the same surface and court he dominated the last 2 years.I think both Fed and Rafa loves to give people something to talk about,ıf you guys have a lot time thats fine.Fed got old and thats why he is losing he has stop this idiot excuses.More faster surfaces he is going to lose more and more to likes Berdeych and Del Po.His return of service got seriously non affective as the years goes by,ı can see him losing more and more to big serving guys on faster surfaces.
Rafa also have his own agenda of course but 7 months of hard court tennis too much and becomes a big bore it is indeed unhealthy as well.There should be more grass court tournaments.

[tennisbuck]

of course fed wants more fast and nadal wants less blue clay and more regular. they all want more of what they can win on. credit to djokovic for never pushing specific surfices

[Bartelby]

There is actually an objective measurement of court speed, but it seems to over-estimate court speed in relation to player opinion.

Nevrtheless it works as a comparative tool and Bercy of several years ago was the fastest.

[2ManyAces]

This shows how much surface matters. Makes you appreciate the players who dominated all surfaces.

[swordtennis]

Imagine if there were more all round courts?
Federer would most likely extend his career titles.
Federer is even greater than what his records and achievements indicate IMO.
In all honesty I am not sure there are any fast court tournaments left.

[Paul Murphy]

Tennis needs a mix of surfaces - fast, medium and slow.
Variety is a thing of the past - look at what's happened to Bercy.
Too much slow rubbish permeating the game.
Fed is dead right.

[Raz11]

Here is the total winner/UE for the 4 slams:
AO: 6821 / 6966
RG: 9363 / 9172
W: 10241 / 6182
USO: 7278 / 7077

Odd that AO has more unforced errors than winners. More evidence that AO is ridiculously slow. Anyway I think they should speed up the faster surfaces just a bit, there should be a lot more winners then unforced errors.

[TennisLovaLova]

Originally Posted by Raz11

Here is the total winner/UE for the 4 slams:
AO: 6821 / 6966
RG: 9363 / 9172
W: 10241 / 6182
USO: 7278 / 7077

Odd that AO has more unforced errors than winners. More evidence that AO is ridiculously slow. Anyway I think they should speed up the faster surfaces just a bit, there should be a lot more winners then unforced errors.

Very smart way to look at this
this proves that slow surfaces --> longest rallies --> more ue --> boring tennis

AO, USO and WTF should be played on fast courts.
End of discussion

[Tafmatch]

Originally Posted by Raz11

Here is the total winner/UE for the 4 slams:
AO: 6821 / 6966
RG: 9363 / 9172
W: 10241 / 6182
USO: 7278 / 7077

Odd that AO has more unforced errors than winners. More evidence that AO is ridiculously slow. Anyway I think they should speed up the faster surfaces just a bit, there should be a lot more winners then unforced errors.

Nice find! At least on of the HC slams should be faster

[Russeljones]

Originally Posted by Mustard

I doubt it personally, because with the modern technology, players can just dictate with depth from their own baselines so well. It has made the old school serve and volley game extremely difficult to execute. And even in the 1990s, players like Sampras and Becker regularly stayed back and rallied on hardcourts.

I respect your input on these boards Mustard, but you sound like a broken record there. Almost as if you're defending someone.

When players have less time to prepare for a shot, their "authoritatively deep shots" (your words) will become sporadic rather than the norm. To think otherwise is to massively overestimate the tennis intelligence of most players today (including Murray, Djokovic and Nadal).

[Feather]

Originally Posted by Russeljones

I respect your input on these boards Mustard, but you sound like a broken record there. Almost as if you're defending someone.

When players have less time to prepare for a shot, their "authoritatively deep shots" (your words) will become sporadic rather than the norm. To think otherwise is to massively overestimate the tennis intelligence of most players today (including Murray, Djokovic and Nadal).

Exactly, I was wondering how can a poster like Mustard say that

[Feather]

I really don't understand why the posters don't want at least one fast surface for Majors. They all talk about balancing and at the same time wants ONLY slow courts

Why can't we have Wimbledon on fast grass and US Open on fast hard courts. They can have a slow hard court Major at AO. This would give enough for attacking players also.

Bobby Jr recently opened a thread about the Llodra v/s Isner match at Paris. I too watched it and it was really entertaining to watch.

It's really sad that we won't have serve and volley players in the future. People here are thinking from only Nadal v/s Federer perspective. Once their favorites are all gone and when Tennis becomes just six hour long rallies from base lines on all courts they truly realize that how boring Tennis has become. I am sure that's gonna happen if you are a genuine fan of Tennis

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

So Hewitt says the WTF courts were slow and Fed said they were fast. Great consensus there.

The WTF was mud-slow. Federer lied that it was fast to avoid being seen as a sore loser, which is what he would've looked like if he had admitted the court was slow.

[Feather]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

The WTF was mud-slow. Federer lied that it was fast to avoid being seen as a sore loser, which is what he would've looked like if he had admitted the court was slow.

I never felt the 02 court is fast. Even when Roger beat Rafa last year, I never felt it was fast. The court was slow but bounce was also slow. Rafa can't attack Roger's backhand. If the court was fast there would have been more winners

[NamRanger]

Originally Posted by Mustard

The modern technology enables players to dictate with authority and depth from their own baselines in a way they never could in the 1990s, let alone in decades before that.

Because obviously technology has advanced so much since the 90s. Oh wait, that synthetic string was around for ages


Even in the early 2000s there was a decent amount of variety, although leaning more towards baselining. That being said, it really didn't take off till around 2003 or so when everything gradually started to slow down more and more.

Originally Posted by Raz11

Here is the total winner/UE for the 4 slams:
AO: 6821 / 6966
RG: 9363 / 9172
W: 10241 / 6182
USO: 7278 / 7077

Odd that AO has more unforced errors than winners. More evidence that AO is ridiculously slow. Anyway I think they should speed up the faster surfaces just a bit, there should be a lot more winners then unforced errors.

Odd that Roland Garros has almost as many winners as Wimbledon does. Oh wait, no it's not. That's because RG is ridiculous fast for a claycourt.

[Mustard]

Right, NamRanger, are you seriously suggesting that the technology that Courier was using at the 1992 French Open is no different to the technology of today's game?