What is the maximum number of points Ferrer can earn this week in Davis Cup?

[SQA333]

Is Nadal's #4 ranking in jeopardy before the end of the year?

[Prisoner of Birth]

Yeah, I was wondering about this too. How likely is Ferrer to get to #4 by AO 2012? How many points is he behind right now?

[RAFA2005RG]

Is the number 4 ranking important?

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

Is the number 4 ranking important?

The number 4 seeding at the AO 2013 is.

[boredone3456]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

Yeah, I was wondering about this too. How likely is Ferrer to get to #4 by AO 2012? How many points is he behind right now?

365 points behind.

[merwy]

I don't know when Nadal will start playing again exactly, but obviously Ferrer could get some points in the pre-AO hardcourt season. Doha, Brisbane, that kind of stuff. Don't know if Nadal will play those, so maybe Ferrer can make the difference there. Although I do remember him losing to Monfils last year in Doha so he won't have too many point to defend there..

[RAFA2005RG]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

The number 4 seeding at the AO 2013 is.

Not really. You've got to beat Djokovic to win the AO regardless. Doesn't matter if you meet him the QF, SF or F. And if Nadal meets Federer in the QF its a great draw for Nadal. Draws mean nothing. The best player wins in the end. Plus I think Nadal would like to see Ferrer reach the top 4.

[Def]

Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

Not really. You've got to beat Djokovic to win the AO regardless. Doesn't matter if you meet him the QF, SF or F. And if Nadal meets Federer in the QF its a great draw for Nadal. Draws mean nothing. The best player wins in the end. Plus I think Nadal would like to see Ferrer reach the top 4.

Would Nadal rather:

Have to meet Fed in the semis and Djok or Murray in the Final

or

Have to meet Djokovic in the quarters, Murray in the semis and Fed in the Final?

[RAFA2005RG]

Originally Posted by Def

Would Nadal rather:

Have to meet Fed in the semis and Djok or Murray in the Final

or

Have to meet Djokovic in the quarters, Murray in the semis and Fed in the Final?

Well, Nadal needs to be physically fresh to beat Djokovic on a hardcourt more than any other opponent. The only hardcourt slam final Nadal ever won over Djokovic was 2010 US Open when Nadal cruised through the first 6 rounds like never before.

So he'd rather face Djokovic in the QF than any other round. So I'd say scenario 2 would be ADVANTAGE NADAL.

[joeri888]

Nadal has 150 points from DC, I don't know if he can lose those?
Also, Nadal has 90 Doha points, which he might lose if he decides not to play Doha next year.

Ferrer on the other defends Brisbane title (250 points)

The DC count I don't quite get unfortunately.

[merlinpinpin]

Originally Posted by merwy

I don't know when Nadal will start playing again exactly, but obviously Ferrer could get some points in the pre-AO hardcourt season. Doha, Brisbane, that kind of stuff. Don't know if Nadal will play those, so maybe Ferrer can make the difference there. Although I do remember him losing to Monfils last year in Doha so he won't have too many point to defend there..

No he can't. Ferrer's already got too many small tournament results to count, so winning Doha and/or Brisbane won't add a single point to his tally (in fact, he won in Auckland at the very start of the year, and this result isn't counted in his total number of points).

Nadal can lose a few points, though (not that many, ie 240 max, but this might be enough depending on how many Ferrer gains in the DC final--I didn't do the maths).

[RAFA2005RG]

I hope Nadal is ranked number 5 so his comeback can look even more impressive. It's hard to top 2010 when he was ranked 4 in March and took the number one ranking in June.

[joeri888]

Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

I hope Nadal is ranked number 5 so his comeback can look even more impressive. It's hard to top 2010 when he was ranked 4 in March and took the number one ranking in June.

Nadal could perfectly be ranked 5 or 6 in june and finish next year as no. 1 if he wins Wimbledon and the USO.

[RAFA2005RG]

Originally Posted by joeri888

Nadal could perfectly be ranked 5 or 6 in june and finish next year as no. 1 if he wins Wimbledon and the USO.

Yep, and in that scenario (Nadal winning Wimbledon and US Open) Federer will fall some by losing Wimbledon, Murray can't gain anything unless he wins 2 slams (and will lose by not winning the US Open), and Djokovic can't gain unless he makes the Wimbledon final.

[Goosehead]

Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

Yep, and in that scenario (Nadal winning Wimbledon and US Open) Federer will fall some by losing Wimbledon, Murray can't gain anything unless he wins 2 slams (and will lose by not winning the US Open), and Djokovic can't gain unless he makes the Wimbledon final.

murray can pick up rank points in masters too dont forget..he didnt win any of the 9 masters tournys this year..and is capable of winning some and adding rank points...

nadal has that atp 500 clay tourny in acapulco he had added as he tweaks his schedule, and i suppose depending on how he feels a 250 event on clay before that..i think ferrer hoovered up some points in this bit of the tour in 2012.

[joeri888]

Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

Yep, and in that scenario (Nadal winning Wimbledon and US Open) Federer will fall some by losing Wimbledon, Murray can't gain anything unless he wins 2 slams (and will lose by not winning the US Open), and Djokovic can't gain unless he makes the Wimbledon final.

For the year end ranking of next year, it won't really matter what is to gain and what is to lose. It's just a matter of who has the best 2013 of course. Nadal has as much chance to be that guy as Murray or Federer has.

[ruerooo]

Originally Posted by merwy

I don't know when Nadal will start playing again exactly, but obviously Ferrer could get some points in the pre-AO hardcourt season. Doha, Brisbane, that kind of stuff. Don't know if Nadal will play those, so maybe Ferrer can make the difference there. Although I do remember him losing to Monfils last year in Doha so he won't have too many point to defend there..

What round did he lose in? That makes a difference too.

[joeri888]

Originally Posted by ruerooo

What round did he lose in? That makes a difference too.

Nadal has a SF in Doha. Ferrer won Brisbane.

[vive le beau jeu !]

can't wait to see ferrer ranked in front of the nadal... but we'll have to wait for early 2013 for that, even if he can gain some more points with the DC final.

[kOaMaster]

I think he can't overtake him anymore, here is why:

1. nadal will lose 150 points because of last years final
2. ferrer can gain a maximum of 75 points per victory = 150.
3. nadal could lose his doha 90 points
4. doesn't matter whether ferrer does defend auckland or not, he's won already enough other non-counting 250's

that would be enough to make the difference (ferrer would lead by 390-365 = 25 points). !BUT! if nadal drops his 90 doha points, he could add 45 from halle which did not count so far.

-> ferrer is at best -20 before the AO starts and can't overtake nadal.