Slam prediction for 2013...your pick?

[RAFA2005RG]

Originally Posted by Sabratha

There's always a chance he won't win at RG ya kno.

Only if his parents devastate him again. And I think they know better now, and will not let Nadal know of problems until he's retired from professional tennis and professional golf.

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by Dark Magician

A little bit wishful thinking, but still........

AO : Federer bt Novak
FO : Novak bt Nadal
W : Murray beat Novak
US : Nadal beat Novak or just reverse i.e. Novak bt Nadal

I guess Djokovic is ending next year at #4?

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

Only if his parents devastate him again. And I think they know better now, and will not let Nadal know of problems until he's retired from professional tennis and professional golf.

Maybe because he's worked his knees into the ground?

[Feather]

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

Murray had a dream run in winning the USO but otherwise played unspectacular tennis for most of the year - even if it was his best. He, of all people, benefited the most from Nadal being absent. I will pick him for winning no majors next year or that he'll come right and sneak in the US Open. Prior to that I give him about 20% chance at the Aussie Open, 10% if Nadal is playing at all well.

Aussie Open I'll go for Djokovic, French Open - Nadal and Wimbledon - Federer.

Sound familiar?

Murray himself said he likes to play Roger in Wimbledon grass. So I feel he has very good chances there

[Russeljones]

Australian open - Djokovic
French open - Nadal
Wimbledon - Murray
US open - Del Potro or some new guy

Hard to make predictions as ever, even more so with Nadal's health issues. He could just as well miss the entire year or come back to win 3 Slam tournaments!

[joeri888]

With Nadal absent there's a slight chance of someone out of the top 4 doing it. He would have to beat 2 of the top 4, and maybe even only 1 if the top 4 guy in his half gets upset. That's not entirely impossible imo.

[batz]

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

Murray had a dream run in winning the USO but otherwise played unspectacular tennis for most of the year - even if it was his best. He, of all people, benefited the most from Nadal being absent. I will pick him for winning no majors next year or that he'll come right and sneak in the US Open. Prior to that I give him about 20% chance at the Aussie Open, 10% if Nadal is playing at all well.
Aussie Open I'll go for Djokovic, French Open - Nadal and Wimbledon - Federer.

Sound familiar?

Yep - he was garbage when he took Nole all the way in the AO semis, terrible when he made the final of Wimbledon and bloody awful when he won the Olympics.

10% chance to beat Nadal at the AO? Is this the same Nadal with a 2-2 H2h v Murray in hardcourt slams? The same Nadal that Murray leads 5-4 on hards since 2008 - that Nadal?

I'm loving how you concede that Murray might 'sneak' the USO. Others would win it of course, but Murray would sneak it - despite beign the defending champion.

[3fees]

Australian Open -Novak Djokovic-3 peet
French open - Rafael Nadal or Uncle Toni
Wimbledon -Andy Murray
US Open - Novak Djokovic

[kalyan4fedever]

No chance of Murray when rafa is in, he will eat him alive
AO-Nole/ Fed ,RG- Nole, Wimby- Fed, uso- Fed.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by batz

Yep - he was garbage when he took Nole all the way in the AO semis, terrible when he made the final of Wimbledon and bloody awful when he won the Olympics.

10% chance to beat Nadal at the AO? Is this the same Nadal with a 2-2 H2h v Murray in hardcourt slams? The same Nadal that Murray leads 5-4 on hards since 2008 - that Nadal?

I'm loving how you concede that Murray might 'sneak' the USO. Others would win it of course, but Murray would sneak it - despite beign the defending champion.

Why are you getting all bent out of shape? The fact is when it comes to slams Murray is minor league compared to the other elite players, Nadal, Federer and Djokovic. You are correct that Murray on HC may defeat Nadal in a future slam (I think he will), he may be able to beat Federer in a future slam now that he has defeated him at the Olympics and he may defeat Novak in more future slams, but until he actually proves himself capable of having the "mind" to be a multiple slam winner, the other players will be favored.

[batz]

Originally Posted by cc0509

Why are you getting all bent out of shape? The fact is when it comes to slams Murray is minor league compared to the other elite players, Nadal, Federer and Djokovic. You are correct that Murray on HC may defeat Nadal in a future slam (I think he will), he may be able to beat Federer in a future slam now that he has defeated him at the Olympics and he may defeat Novak in more future slams, but until he actually proves himself capable of having the "mind" to be a multiple slam winner, the other players will be favored.

Am I bent out of shape? I thought I was just addressing the ridicilous assertion that Murray had only played well in 2012 at the USO.


Is this thread about the relative slam records and overall standing in the game of the top 4 or is this thread about who will win what in 2013? I thought it was about the latter - but you seem to be arguing about the former. Murray's overall place in the pantheon of tennis greats has the square root of feck all to do with his chances of winning a slam next year. By that logic, Murray has less chance of winning a slam next year than Agassi and Sampras.

PS I think Roger is the greatest player ever, but the fact is that over the last 2 years he has had an inferior slam record to Murray - that for me is a more pertinent fact about the relative liklyhood of either of them winning a slam in 2013 than Roger's 17 slams.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by batz

Am I bent out of shape? I thought I was just addressing the ridicilous assertion that Murray had only played well in 2012 at the USO.

Is this thread about the relative slam records and overall standing in the game of the top 4 or is this thread about who will win what in 2013? I thought it was about the latter - but you seem to be arguing about the former. Murray's overall place in the pantheon of tennis greats has the square root of feck all to do with his chances of winning a slam next year.

Yes and no. True that his place in the pantheon of tennis greats may have nothing to do with whether or not he wins a slam in 2013, but at the same time, you have to understand the hesitation on the part of some fans to predict his future slam chances because of his record with other greats in the past. The bottom line is Murray has to prove he is capable of being a multiple slam winning champion and until he does people will be skeptical and rightly so. Personally, I think he will win more slams in the future and defeat the other top three or four.

[Rock Strongo]

Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

Only if his parents devastate him again. And I think they know better now, and will not let Nadal know of problems until he's retired from professional tennis and professional golf.

Professional golf...

His game doesn't look like it would belong to a professional golfer. He'd get eaten alive on the PGA tour or even the European tour.

Teaching pro, yes. Touring pro, no.

[batz]

Originally Posted by cc0509

Yes and no. True that his place in the pantheon of tennis greats may have nothing to do with whether or not he wins a slam in 2013, but at the same time, you have to understand the hesitation on the part of some fans to predict his future slam chances because of his record with other greats in the past. The bottom line is Murray has to prove he is capable of being a multiple slam winning champion and until he does people will be skeptical and rightly so. Personally, I think he will win more slams in the future and defeat the other top three or four.

Why does he have to win multiple slams before people can reasonably state he has a chance to win another? Forgive me, but I'm just not seeing the link, and moreover, plenty of people seem to agree with me as many are tipping him to win a slam next year. For clarity, I'm not saying I'm one of those people - my gripe was with Bobby Junior's claim that Murray only really performed at the USO in 2012 - my personal opinion is that Murray may well struggle to win a slam next year - but not because Roger has won 17 and Rafa has won 11.

Do Murray's career achievements pale in comparison to the other members of the top 4? Absolutley. Does this have any bearing on Murray's chances of winning a slam in 2013? Absolutely not. Roger's 17 slam wins don't change the fact that he has only made 1 slam final in the last 2 years - so why would he be favoured ahead of Murray whose record over that period is better? If you check the bookies you'll see that Roger is behind Murray in the betting for al four slams next year - yes, even RG.

[DropShotArtist]

AO Fed
FO Djokovic
W Fed
USO Delpo

[Dark Magician]

Originally Posted by Sabratha

I guess Djokovic is ending next year at #4?

Howcome??
Wins FO=Loses AO in final.
Reaches wimby Final (better than 2012)
Reaches US final atleast as this year.
Cant see him losing any points??

[kishnabe]

Originally Posted by batz

Am I bent out of shape? I thought I was just addressing the ridicilous assertion that Murray had only played well in 2012 at the USO.


Is this thread about the relative slam records and overall standing in the game of the top 4 or is this thread about who will win what in 2013? I thought it was about the latter - but you seem to be arguing about the former. Murray's overall place in the pantheon of tennis greats has the square root of feck all to do with his chances of winning a slam next year. By that logic, Murray has less chance of winning a slam next year than Agassi and Sampras.

PS I think Roger is the greatest player ever, but the fact is that over the last 2 years he has had an inferior slam record to Murray - that for me is a more pertinent fact about the relative liklyhood of either of them winning a slam in 2013 than Roger's 17 slams.

Murray played just as well at the Australian Open and Wimbledon this year. His highest level this year was at the Australian Open Semifinal. Wimbledon final and Olympics final were equal at 2nd....he brought out his serve and forehand real well in that match.

His US Open was the worst of the year....yet he won. He addresses this in his final press conference....that he won not being in great form like he was at his other slam finals. I guess losing playing real well like 10 Aussie and 12 Wimby....you eventually win a slam playing poor.

US Open tournament was poor for his standards....still he pulled it out.

I believe Murray will win a slam next year.....most likely Wimbledon with the form he showed this year on the grass.

[BHiC]

AO - Djokovic. He will beat Murray in the finals in 4 sets.
FO - Nadal. If he plays it, you just can't bet against him on clay.
W - Murray. He finally overcomes his nerves, and rides his OG to a Wimbledon title.
USO - Federer. An incompetent crew that resurfaces Arthur Ashe stadium forgets to add sand to the mixture, and accidentally creates the fastest court ever played on at the US Open.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

In order of likelihood of winning each Slam

Australian Open
1. Djokovic
2. Murray
3. Nadal/Federer
5. Berdych

French Open
1. Nadal
2. Djokovic/Federer
4. Murray
5. Del Potro

Wimbledon
1. Murray
2. Federer/Nadal
4. Djokovic
5. Del Potro

US Open
1. Murray
2. Djokovic
3. Federer
4. Nadal
5. Del Potro
6. Berdych

I dont agree with those, way too generous to Murray especialy. Mine would be:



Australian Open:

1. Djokovic

-----huge gap-----


2. Murray
3. Nadal
4. Federer



French Open:

1. Nadal
2. Djokovic

-----huge gap------


3. Federer
4. Ferrer
5. Del Potro
6. Murray or Berdych



Wimbledon:

1. Federer and Nadal (tied)
3. Murray
4. Djokovic
5. Berdych
6. Tsonga



U.S Open:

1. Djokovic
2. Murray
3. Nadal
4. Federer
5. Del Potro
6. Berdych



It wouldnt shock me if Murray had an even bigger breakthrough year and won 2 or 3 majors, but he isnt the odds on favorite to win any of them at this point. Definitely not Wimbledon where he has never beaten Nadal or Federer. The Wimbledon bookies having Djokovic and Murray as both having better odds to win Wimbledon than Federer and Nadal are smoking some funny stuff.

[Russeljones]

Originally Posted by batz

Yep - he was garbage when he took Nole all the way in the AO semis, terrible when he made the final of Wimbledon and bloody awful when he won the Olympics.

10% chance to beat Nadal at the AO? Is this the same Nadal with a 2-2 H2h v Murray in hardcourt slams? The same Nadal that Murray leads 5-4 on hards since 2008 - that Nadal?

I'm loving how you concede that Murray might 'sneak' the USO. Others would win it of course, but Murray would sneak it - despite beign the defending champion.

He probably meant Murray's dismal performance at Masters, Queens et. Doubt anyone can seriously put forward the notion that 2012 isn't Murray's best year (by far).