Worst band ever: REM or Chili Peppers?

[NJ1]

Originally Posted by Peters

Well, considering there's an almost infinite number of bands that are worse than REM and RHCP.....how about "neither"?

Indeed. What a moronic thread.

[Power Player]

Originally Posted by heycal

I don't think people in the music industry have any monopoly on taste. In fact, there is is ample evidence of quite the opposite.

And I really don't care about sales or popularity, so I don't know why you guys are feeling a need to defend the album on that count. Good seller or bad seller, hits or not, I'm just saying a lot of the songs on the album ain't that great.

And all I am saying is you have no ears and no real reason to make a pointless thread about your musical opinion.

[heycal]

Originally Posted by Power Player

And all I am saying is you have no ears and no real reason to make a pointless thread about your musical opinion.

That's fine. Just remember: Pet Sounds = Andy Roddick. Revolver = Roger Federer.

[Dedans Penthouse]

I love Brian Wilson (seriously).

And I'd use The Beach Boys' sumptuous (respectable) harmonies to get on the good side of my parents:

"See mom & dad?..rock 'n roll can be 'good'!....*oh, please love me!*
..LMAO..


...then I'd go to my room, close the door, put on the 'cans' and blast the song "Citidel" <---- THIS is bliss

I now suffer from tinnitus. Citdel (and my live friends Fender, Vox et al) Surprised?


ninman, not a flame, but there is often a striking resemblance between the guitar solos in a number of mid-60's 'surf tunes' and watered-down/cheesy Chuck Berry. Just sayin'....

[dParis]

Originally Posted by Tennis_Hands

It depends what you mean.

If you mean, that the materials are crap, or around that level I am inclined to agree.

If you mean, that the construction is crap, I strongly disagree.

Actually, I got a present from a friend some time ago. A Slim fit long sleeve H&M shirt. It puts my RTW Cerruti and other even more expensive shirts to shame.

Originally Posted by heycal

In terms of style or material? If the former, I defer to women's views, who seem to like their stuff on this old man. If the latter, yes, probably so. But it's also half the price of the Gap, for one example. (Speaking of which, my thinly made Gap blue jeans already have a hole in them after one year of normal wear. That store is going downhill...)

I went through H&M for the first time in about 5 or 6 years this past Sunday with my wife when she told me they were having some sort of buy-one, get-one sale on sweaters. When I say H&M is crap, I mean I felt like I was picking through the leftovers of a Lebanese bazaar. Crap style, crap materials and yes, crap construction. My wife reminded me of a couple of dresses she had that basically fell apart after wearing them once or twice. "That's what you get when you pay $19.99 for a dress", I replied.

I'm not on the bleeding edge of fashion, but I thought it was lame that H&M was still pushing the blazer-with-the-hoodie-sweater-sewn-in. Isn't that the universal d-bag uniform, or something?

Regarding the falling quality of blue jeans, I totally agree. I used to have a couple of pairs from Old Navy that looked and fit great and lasted quite a while. When I went back to ON, I was surprised at the paper-thin denim they were selling as blue jeans. I went to the GAP and found the same thing. Bought a pair anyways - out of habit, I guess, - and my initial impression was confirmed. Garbage. Even the Levi's I tried recently seemed to be lower quality (though their price has climbed steeply). A couple of labels I found acceptable quality in are Lucky and Salt.

Pet Sounds. I'm not a big Beach Boys fan but I like some of their music well enough and have a copy of Pet Sounds somewhere in my collection. I thought, for the longest time, that "Good Vibrations" was on Pet Sounds. When I realized it wasn't, it really lowered my opinion of the album.

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by dParis

I went through H&M for the first time in about 5 or 6 years this past Sunday with my wife when she told me they were having some sort of buy-one, get-one sale on sweaters. When I say H&M is crap, I mean I felt like I was picking through the leftovers of a Lebanese bazaar. Crap style, crap materials and yes, crap construction. My wife reminded me of a couple of dresses she had that basically fell apart after wearing them once or twice. "That's what you get when you pay $19.99 for a dress", I replied.

I'm not on the bleeding edge of fashion, but I thought it was lame that H&M was still pushing the blazer-with-the-hoodie-sweater-sewn-in. Isn't that the universal d-bag uniform, or something?

Regarding the falling quality of blue jeans, I totally agree. I used to have a couple of pairs from Old Navy that looked and fit great and lasted quite a while. When I went back to ON, I was surprised at the paper-thin denim they were selling as blue jeans. I went to the GAP and found the same thing. Bought a pair anyways - out of habit, I guess, - and my initial impression was confirmed. Garbage. Even the Levi's I tried recently seemed to be lower quality (though their price has climbed steeply). A couple of labels I found acceptable quality in are Lucky and Salt.

Pet Sounds. I'm not a big Beach Boys fan but I like some of their music well enough and have a copy of Pet Sounds somewhere in my collection. I thought, for the longest time, that "Good Vibrations" was on Pet Sounds. When I realized it wasn't, it really lowered my opinion of the album.

Perhaps something along the lines of Zara , Nautica ,FillipaK or if you can afford it Ermenegildo Zegna could be a better deal for you?

[r2473]

Originally Posted by dParis

Regarding the falling quality of blue jeans, I totally agree. I used to have a couple of pairs from Old Navy that looked and fit great and lasted quite a while. When I went back to ON, I was surprised at the paper-thin denim they were selling as blue jeans. I went to the GAP and found the same thing. Bought a pair anyways - out of habit, I guess, - and my initial impression was confirmed. Garbage. Even the Levi's I tried recently seemed to be lower quality (though their price has climbed steeply). A couple of labels I found acceptable quality in are Lucky and Salt.

I'm just going to assume these were skinny jeans.

[dParis]

Originally Posted by r2473

I'm just going to assume these were skinny jeans.

I stopped letting teenagers pick out my clothes on my twentieth birthday...

[chrischris]

Personally, i will never underestimate the judgement of people younger than me.. not even when it comes to jeans.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by dParis

I stopped letting teenagers pick out my clothes on my twentieth birthday...

Well, doesn't your wife like to see you in skinny jeans?

I have it on good authority that women are wild for old men in skinny jeans.

[Power Player]

Originally Posted by r2473

Well, doesn't your wife like to see you in skinny jeans?

I have it on good authority that women are wild for old men in skinny jeans.

You sure it's not True Religion jeans and an untucked button down shirt? that seems to be the "im newly single and 50!!!" outfit down here.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by Power Player

You sure it's not True Religion jeans and an untucked button down shirt? that seems to be the "im newly single and 50!!!" outfit down here.

Would you suggest listening to REM, Chili Peppers, or Brian Wilson?

Or Andy Roddick (I had no idea he was behind Pet Sounds?).

[Timbo's hopeless slice]

look, I've always thought the Beatles were terribly overrated, but I understand it, particularly from the perspective of the Baby Boomers.

I, as a musician, have always been much more interested in other acts from the time (Hendrix, Beach Boys, The Who)

however, the thread drift has made all this irrelevant.

I now give you, the worst band of all time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLbaFavEfAs

[chrischris]

Check this one out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdGhLbP27ts

worse?

[Timbo's hopeless slice]

Originally Posted by chrischris

Check this one out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdGhLbP27ts

worse?

ouch!

[ninman]

Originally Posted by heycal

I don't think people in the music industry have any monopoly on taste. In fact, there is is ample evidence of quite the opposite.

And I really don't care about sales or popularity, so I don't know why you guys are feeling a need to defend the album on that count. Good seller or bad seller, hits or not, I'm just saying a lot of the songs on the album ain't that great.

If you don't like it that's fine. A lot of people don't like it. But, it had a huge influence on music, and the music industry from that point.

One of the biggest was the amount of time and effort that people put in to making an album. From 1961-1965 The Beach Boys released 10 albums, I think. Pet Sounds alone took a full year to complete.

Basically how it worked was, Brian stayed home, composed the music, The band would tour, return home, add in the vocals, leave and tour some more. Albums had to be made fast, and not a great deal of effort was put into the album, aside from 2 or 3 hit songs.

After Pet Sounds, that entire culture changed. People, started taking a lot more time over an album, and making sure that it was a complete product on its own.

Look at a lot of the big albums of the 70's, A Night At the Opera, Children of The World, pretty much any Queen Album in fact, The Who's albums. The reason is a direct result of Pet Sounds.

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by Timbo's hopeless slice

ouch!

No kiddin!!!

[SoBad]

The key to a quality pizza is fresh quality ingredients along with the chef's skill, of course, not to mention a decent oven. They even have training programs and workshops here in the city for people from Italy and elsewhere in Europe that want to learn how to cook pizza.

[heycal]

Originally Posted by dParis

I thought, for the longest time, that "Good Vibrations" was on Pet Sounds. When I realized it wasn't, it really lowered my opinion of the album.

Join the club! I thought it was on Pet Sounds too. And when the best song on Pet Sounds isn't even on Pet Sounds, well, you know the album's got a problem...

Originally Posted by dParis

I stopped letting teenagers pick out my clothes on my twentieth birthday...

Originally Posted by chrischris

Personally, i will never underestimate the judgement of people younger than me.. not even when it comes to jeans.

Gentlemen, it's very simple: you let women who are the target age of women you'd like to date pick out your clothes. If you like girls in their 20's (and who doesn't?) let them pick out your jeans, and if you like girls in their 30's (and who doesn't?), you let them pick them out. But when you have a pair of jeans that pleases both your target group AND your teenage daughter and women your own age, well, you know you've got a winner.

Originally Posted by ninman

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After Pet Sounds, that entire culture changed. People, started taking a lot more time over an album, and making sure that it was a complete product on its own.

Look at a lot of the big albums of the 70's, A Night At the Opera, Children of The World, pretty much any Queen Album in fact, The Who's albums. The reason is a direct result of Pet Sounds.

Beatles had nothing to do with all this, huh?

Originally Posted by SoBad

The key to a quality pizza is fresh quality ingredients along with the chef's skill, of course, not to mention a decent oven. They even have training programs and workshops here in the city for people from Italy and elsewhere in Europe that want to learn how to cook pizza.

Exactly. There's no shame in asking for help.

[heycal]

Guys, we can spend days debating which band is best using our subjective opinions, so maybe it's better if we just scientifically quantify things to put this matter to rest. I've gone ahead and run the numbers, and the results are contained herein.

Using a 1-10 scoring system, with 10 being the best, the following bands score thusly. (Please keep in mind that this list is not exhaustive, solo and solo-type acts are not included, and I reserve the right to add bands I've forgotten to the list, as well as adjust rankings as new data comes in. While we don't have space here to explain all the variables that go into determining a band's final number, perhaps the most important one is sheer number of great songs. Also, the margin of error is 1<.)

10: The Beatles

9: The Rolling Stones

8: The Beach Boys

7: Led Zeppelin, The Doors, Pink Floyd, The Bee Gees (pre-disco of course), The Who (mostly on the strength of Tommy).

6: Cream, Jefferson Airplane, The Mama's and the Papa's, The Byrds.

There are many other bands that produced many wonderful songs, but for one reason don't qualify as 6 or above. But it should be stressed that a band that rates a VERY respectable 4 or 5 is a VERY good band, so please don't be upset if you don't see your favorite band listed.

Finally, bringing up the rear, we have:

-2: REM
-3: Red Hot Chili Peppers

Any questions? And do feel free to inquire about the scores of your favorites!