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Old 11-15-2012, 11:14 AM   #61
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when you give independence to Quebec?

true democracy is like that...
Quebec has to decide (as they already have in several referenda) whether or not they want to pay the severe penalties of independence, including a fractured Quebec with new borders. So far, they have said NO.
Various independence movements have fared poorly in other countries as well, such as the USA.

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Old 11-15-2012, 12:43 PM   #62
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Raonic is 2 wins and 1 defeat against Murray.
Peliwo holds both the Wimbledon and U.S. Open junior titles for this year, and is number one in the world for juniors.
The future looks bright.
True it looks bright but in Peliwo's case junior success does not always translate to
he adult tours, look at players like Young and Cara Black. Both excellent in junior singles..
Black did diddly as an adult and Young is a floundering fish. Lil early to call him great
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:06 PM   #63
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True it looks bright but in Peliwo's case junior success does not always translate to
he adult tours, look at players like Young and Cara Black. Both excellent in junior singles..
Black did diddly as an adult and Young is a floundering fish. Lil early to call him great
Good point. But many junior #1's have been successful as adults.
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:46 PM   #64
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I expect that this will be a short list.

Here are the most legitimate candidates for greatest ever Canadian player.
This is not an exhaustive list.

1) Lorne Main
Current World #1 over 80
World #1 over 70 in 2000
Champion Monte Carlo clay 1954
Davis Cup 14 wins 14 defeats in singles

2) Bob Bedard
Last Canadian to win the Canadian championship 1955, 1957, 1958 defeating in the finals Ramanathan Krishnan (World #3) and Whitney Reed (U.S.A. #1)
Davis Cup greatest success in 1961, defeating both Llamas and Osuna (World #1) in singles
Defeated Emerson (World #1) at Queens Club 1958
Won a set off Hoad at Wimbledon 1954, lost 3 matches to Hoad in Slam events (Roland Garros, Wimbledon, Forest Hills) lost to both Hoad and Rosewall in 1955 Davis Cup

3) Mike Belkin
Rated #7 in world in early 1960's
Davis Cup record 14 wins 7 defeats in singles

4) Daniel Nestor
Defeated world #1 Edberg in five sets in 1992 Davis Cup singles
Won numberless doubles titles, all four slam events and world titles

5) Greg Rusedski
U.S. Open runnerup 1997
Ranked #4 in world
Dual citizen, played Davis Cup for Britain

6) Milos Raonic
Current world #14
Defeated Murray at Japan Open 2012 (career record 2 wins 1 defeat against Murray)

7) Filip Peliwo
Current 2012 Wimbledon and U.S. Open Junior Champion
World Junior #1 2012

Canada has not been a hotbed of tennis until recently, but the above is an honourable list.
I would rate Bob Bedard as all-time number 1, but this could change if Raonic or Peliwo continue to develop.
This list must be revised in light of Canada's recent thrashing of Spain in the Davis Cup.
The great performance of Frank Dancevic (world rank #166) in outclassing the world #34 for Spain in a performance described by John McEnroe as "the greatest tennis I have ever seen", a truly hot performance, must put Dancevic in the top ten of Canadian players.

Next up: Italy in the quarter-finals.
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This list must be revised in light of Canada's recent thrashing of Spain in the Davis Cup.
The great performance of Frank Dancevic (world rank #166) in outclassing the world #34 for Spain in a performance described by John McEnroe as "the greatest tennis I have ever seen", a truly hot performance, must put Dancevic in the top ten of Canadian players.

Next up: Italy in the quarter-finals.
Oh,yes, Frank Dancevic df. Marcel Granollers 6-1, 6-2, 6-2.
That is, the #166 player demolished the #34 player.
Dancevic, age 28, has not had a coach in recent years, apart from his father.

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Old 02-06-2013, 06:27 AM   #66
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Oh,yes, Frank Dancevic df. Marcel Granollers 6-1, 6-2, 6-2.
That is, the #166 player demolished the #34 player.
Dancevic, age 28, has not had a coach in recent years, apart from his father.
According to McEnroe, "the greatest tennis I have ever seen".
Quite a statement.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:54 AM   #67
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Best canadian is of course Matthew Perry!
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Best canadian is of course Matthew Perry!
He was apparently considering a pro tennis career when he was young. I think he did okay however.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:32 AM   #69
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Correction! Bryan Adams!
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Neil Peart, course
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According to McEnroe, "the greatest tennis I have ever seen".
Quite a statement.
watched the match from the front row. I concur.

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According to McEnroe, "the greatest tennis I have ever seen".
Quite a statement.
Every time Mac sees a decent match he proclaims it "the best ever" etc.
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Geddy Lee!!!
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Probably not what you're looking for

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Quebec has to decide (as they already have in several referenda) whether or not they want to pay the severe penalties of independence, including a fractured Quebec with new borders. So far, they have said NO.
Various independence movements have fared poorly in other countries as well, such as the USA.
IN US? REALLY?
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I miss those Quebec Nordiques - Montreal Canadian bloodbaths.

And that Quebec P.A. announcer: " .... Anton Staastnyy !!"
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IN US? REALLY?
Remember the Civil War?
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Remember the Civil War?
I meant in recent times...
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I meant in recent times...
Breakaway movements right now that I have read about in Hawaii, the southewest (aztlan), a black breakaway movement in the southern states (New Afrika), white groups in the northwest and Vermont has something also.
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Hawaii couldn't secede, I thought I read where it's more dependent on Federal entitlements per capita than any other state.
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