2012 ATP World Tour Finals: [2]Roger Federer vs [1]Novak Djokovic

[djokovic2008]

Originally Posted by cc0509

Whipping Federer two years in a row at the USO? Both of those matches went to five sets and could have gone either way. There was no whipping involved.

The point is people are responding to your claim that Djokovic is a better attacking player than Federer and that is a preposterous claim. Only way for Djokovic to defeat Federer is to play better defense and force Federer to make an error. When Federer is on with his attacking game and makes less errors Djokovic can't beat him and certainly can't beat Federer with a better attacking game!

I can show many clips when djoker ran fed ragged and blasted winners past him from both sides. Thats what makes him more complete he has no weakness, he won't shank backhands into the stands ala fed. Yes his defense is the best of all time thats just back up how good he is and why he has been the best for two years. Even 2011 his h2h over fed was 5-2 but you ***** just talk about the FO 2011 its too funny.

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by djokovic2008

I can show many clips when djoker ran fed ragged and blasted winners past him from both sides. Thats what makes him more complete he has no weakness, he won't shank backhands into the stands ala fed. Yes his defense is the best of all time thats just back up how good he is and why he has been the best for two years. Even 2011 his h2h over fed was 5-2 but you ***** just talk about the FO 2011 its too funny.

5-2 over 30 year-old Federer is something to gloat about now? Head-to-heads mean nothing, anyway, unless the players are of the same age, and play evenly across all ages and all surfaces. Having said that, Federer still leads the stupid head-to-head. So there goes your "argument".

PS - You know what the real head-to-head tally is? Federer : 17, Djokovic : 5.

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by ledwix

I think the motivation for Federer will also be related to how long he's willing to push to win that elusive 18th slam title. I doubt he will win AO2013; more likely Djokovic or Murray the way conditions have been. And RG2013 is also very unlikely. If Nadal doesn't win it then Djokovic probably will. Wimbledon 2013 may be his last chance unless he wants to play past 33. Hopefully he does.

Federer has a realistic chance of winning at Wimbledon and the US Open, perhaps more likely Wimbledon because of fewer natural grasscourters than hardcourters in the field. That said, he has a shot at the Australian Open and at the French Open if the stars align, and he plays 2 incredible matches, or if 1 or more of Djokovic, Nadal and Murray are upset.

That said, I'd be happy with Federer finishing with 18 Slams (or even 17, to be honest). I think his chances of finishing with 18 (or more) is about 75%.

[djokovic2008]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

5-2 over 30 year-old Federer is something to gloat about now? Head-to-heads mean nothing, anyway, unless the players are of the same age, and play evenly across all ages and all surfaces. Having said that, Federer still leads the stupid head-to-head. So there goes your "argument".

PS - You know what the real head-to-head tally is? Federer : 17, Djokovic : 5.

How do you work that out in your delusional world.

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by djokovic2008

How do you work that out in your delusional world.

Butthurt

[joeri888]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

Butthurt

Or just plain stupid. I think he seriously didn't get it

[Feather]

Originally Posted by ledwix

I think the motivation for Federer will also be related to how long he's willing to push to win that elusive 18th slam title. I doubt he will win AO2013; more likely Djokovic or Murray the way conditions have been. And RG2013 is also very unlikely. If Nadal doesn't win it then Djokovic probably will. Wimbledon 2013 may be his last chance unless he wants to play past 33. Hopefully he does.

It depends on whose side Murray falls. I doubt Rafa will make any impact in 2013 AO after his long absence. Rafa may be a title conetender in AO 2014.

However as far as AO 2013 is considered, if Murray takes out Djokovic in a SF, which is not that impossible, Roger can still win AO.

RG 2013 is impossible. It's Rafa's without an iota of doubt

[Feather]

Originally Posted by djokovic2008

Lol so in door hard court is not a fast environment? When he has been winning this tournament you ***** kept saying he wins it because it's fast and he is the best indoors well djoker showed he can play on fast conditions too ala whipping fed two years in a row at the USO a fast event.

Please let us not be ridiculous. US Open is not anymore a fast event. They have slowed down the speed of surface a lot in 2002 and 2003. It's fast compared to AO, but it's not fast by any yardstick. O2 at London is not a fast event, the only advantage Roger had there is the bounce was low. That's what enabled him to beat Rafa last year. On a fast court, the ball will not sit up after bouncing. It will just move through the court.
Also it was never whipping by any standards as in both matches Roger had two match points each

The only fast surface on ATP tour is Cincinnati.

[djokovic2008]

Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth

I think you might be right.

Please I got it alright when it comes to intellect i'm ten levels above you fools I just engage in your nonesense so you have some sort of life.

[djokovic2008]

Originally Posted by joeri888

Or just plain stupid. I think he seriously didn't get it

Hey joey keep out of it as you never have a clue going by most of your posts.

[djokovic2008]

Originally Posted by Feather

Please let us not be ridiculous. US Open is not anymore a fast event. They have slowed down the speed of surface a lot in 2002 and 2003. It's fast compared to AO, but it's not fast by any yardstick. O2 at London is not a fast event, the only advantage Roger had there is the bounce was low. That's what enabled him to beat Rafa last year. On a fast court, the ball will not sit up after bouncing. It will just move through the court.
Also it was never whipping by any standards as in both matches Roger had two match points each

The only fast surface on ATP tour is Cincinnati.

They are fast enough, fed said so of the o2 so next excuse please.

[TennisLovaLova]

Originally Posted by djokovic2008

Please I got it alright when it comes to intellect i'm ten levels above you fools I just engage in your nonesense so you have some sort of life.

Fact 1: djoko says the courts are slow which allows one and only one possible strategy: defending and make points last longer and wait for the UE

Fact 2: your superior intellect makes you believe and say that the above fact is wrong, refusing to admit what your master thinks about his current tennis style

Conclusion: you're talking nonsense or just trolling around

[joeri888]

Originally Posted by djokovic2008

Hey joey keep out of it as you never have a clue going by most of your posts.

Haha, wow. I don't know you. Opposed to many, I am never suggesting that I know everything about tennis, so I won't disagree with you about that. I honestly had the idea that you did not get it the first time. I don't stay out of a discussion, but if it's something 'personal between just the two of you', then I'll be more than happy to stay out of them.

[Tafmatch]

Well Djoko, Joeri is one of the more reasonable posters on this forum. Reading your posts in this topic I get the impression that you seem to be a troll who doesn't know yet that he's a troll.

[Murrayfan31]

Djokovic is the greatest. That is all.

[djokovic2008]

Originally Posted by joeri888

Haha, wow. I don't know you. Opposed to many, I am never suggesting that I know everything about tennis, so I won't disagree with you about that. I honestly had the idea that you did not get it the first time. I don't stay out of a discussion, but if it's something 'personal between just the two of you', then I'll be more than happy to stay out of them.

Ok no problem as I dont have any particular beef with you, but if have not guessed by now I specialize on laying the SMACK down on ******* fools i'm like an exterminator and there is plenty of work to do on here. And with djoker dominating more work is good so stay out of the firing line otherwise you'll get caught in the blaze like the rest of them.

[djokovic2008]

Originally Posted by Tafmatch

Well Djoko, Joeri is one of the more reasonable posters on this forum. Reading your posts in this topic I get the impression that you seem to be a troll who doesn't know yet that he's a troll.

Hey rookie keep it shut and let the bigger boys get stuck in, when you have something worth while to say then I'll point your faults too. p.s Djoker ATP number one.

[Tafmatch]

Hey rookie keep it shut and let the bigger boys get stuck in, when you have something worth while to say then I'll point your faults too.

Grow up. Seriously.

[djokovic2008]

Originally Posted by Tafmatch

Grow up. Seriously.

Then don't involved with stupid comments and you'll be ok

[RF20Lennon]

Djokovic has the BEST defense EVER. And in slow courts like the O2 combined with feds now slow movement, its obvious fed is going to have to run more and will shank more because his racket head speech is way more than Djokovic's and he uses a smaller head size. But on a fast court like Cincy Fed has Blasted Djokovic out in 2009 (6-1 7-5) and in 2012 (6-0 7-6) precisely why hes beaten him in Wimby this year as well. But on slower courts Djokovic def. has the advantage big time!