The Premature Celebration Hindrance Call

[gmatheis]

Originally Posted by tennis_ocd

As it is to talk to your partner.... unless the other team speaks up.

Umm no, thre is specifically a rule against any talking while the ball is traveling towards your opponents side of the court.

There is no rule against starting a point with a ball at the net.

[tennis_ocd]

Originally Posted by gmatheis

Umm no, thre is specifically a rule against any talking while the ball is traveling towards your opponents side of the court.

There is no rule against starting a point with a ball at the net.

Only if talking interferes with your opponent's ability to play the ball. Same as with loose ball on court.

[tennis tom]

Originally Posted by Cindysphinx

... She is, erm, exuberant...She celebrates her own winners with gusto.

... I heard all this celebrating and carrying on from my female opponent.

...she was doing war whoops, loud enough for me to hear in a noisy bubble.

...I really felt the celebration was over the top

Anybody else ever claim hindrance for a premature celebration?

I had a female tennis partner like that once, I never complained--but the neighbors did--they admonished her: "We're not living in the jungle!" I appreciated her enthusiasm and would think about other things like baseball. I like women who can release their inhibitions, get lost in the moment and express their joy.

[rufus_smith]

I had one of those premature celebrations last night. Wife was not pleased.

[tennis tom]

Originally Posted by rufus_smith

I had one of those premature celebrations last night. Wife was not pleased.

Maybe you can get her to hook-up up with Cindy, she's always open for experimenting with new partners and formations.

[gmatheis]

Originally Posted by tennis_ocd

Only if talking interferes with your opponent's ability to play the ball. Same as with loose ball on court.

Wrong

32. Talking during point. A player shall not talk while a ball is moving toward an opponent’s side of the court

do you people not know the definition of "shall not" ?

It does not say "should not", or "it is discouraged" , it says "SHALL NOT"

There is no rule for a loose ball being on the court other than

Whenever a ball is not in play, a player must honor an opponent’s request to remove a ball from the court or from an area outside the court that is reasonably close to the lines.

Which doesn't say anything about it being there, just that if your opponent wants you to clear it you have to honor their request.

[tennis_ocd]

Originally Posted by gmatheis

Wrong

32. Talking during point. A player shall not talk while a ball is moving toward an opponent’s side of the court

do you people not know the definition of "shall not" ?

It does not say "should not", or "it is discouraged" , it says "SHALL NOT"

The ENTIRE paragraph:

32. Talking during point. A player shall not talk while a ball is moving toward an opponent’s side of the court. If a player’s talking interferes with an opponent’s ability to play a ball, the player loses the point. For example, if a doubles player hits a weak lob and loudly yells at the player’s partner to get back and if the shout is loud enough to distract an opponent, then the opponent may claim the point based on a deliberate hindrance. If the opponent chooses to hit the lob and misses it, the opponent loses the point because the opponent did not make a timely claim of hindrance.

Admittedly, just as with the loose ball, distraction and interference is left to the opponent. But I think it pretty clear from the entire rule (and personal experience in playing) that it'd be quite a stretch to present that non-interfering, verbal signaling to your partner would be "cheating."

[leroy_sunset]

Originally Posted by TimothyO

Just play by the rules, it's that simple. Would you teach your children to cheat?

I think that's the end of the thread. Calling out as the ball moves away from you (other than a grunt from the swing) is against the rules. Don't do it. If you know the rule and do it anyway, I think that's at the very least bad sportsmanship. Or you can use the 'c' word if you want

[tennis_ocd]

Originally Posted by leroy_sunset

I think that's the end of the thread. Calling out as the ball moves away from you (other than a grunt from the swing) is against the rules. Don't do it. If you know the rule and do it anyway, I think that's at the very least bad sportsmanship. Or you can use the 'c' word if you want

lol. So a loud grunt is ok but a quiet "short" is cheating? I think the rule, in full context, is pretty clear that it must be distracting to your opponent and called by him. And that's the end of the thread

[rufus_smith]

That Code section 32 needs a revison. "A player shall not talk loudly enough that can be heard by opponent(s) while a ball is moving toward an opponent’s side of the court." would be better, I think. Strictly speaking, as it is worded now Code 32. implies that even whispering to your partner or even to yourself is automatically a hindrance. That's too extreme, imo.

[tennis_ocd]

Originally Posted by rufus_smith

That Code section 32 needs a revison. "A player shall not talk loudly enough that can be heard by opponent(s) while a ball is moving toward an opponent’s side of the court." would be better, I think. Strictly speaking, as it is worded now Code 32. implies that even whispering to your partner or even to yourself is automatically a hindrance. That's too extreme, imo.

Agreed; the paragraph is conflicting. If just reading and stopping after the first sentence; no talking. If reading the remainder; no loud noise that an opponent finds distracting.

In real life, communication with a partner has never been expressed as even remotely an issue on either side. Really kind of surprised to read that some may strain to hear a whispered "stay," over acceptable loud shrieks, to be able to righteously label one as "cheaters". Perhaps the solution is to loudly grunt out commands as part of one's follow through.

[Roforot]

Originally Posted by gmatheis

Wrong

32. Talking during point. A player shall not talk while a ball is moving toward an opponent’s side of the court

do you people not know the definition of "shall not" ?

It does not say "should not", or "it is discouraged" , it says "SHALL NOT"

There is no rule for a loose ball being on the court other than

Whenever a ball is not in play, a player must honor an opponent’s request to remove a ball from the court or from an area outside the court that is reasonably close to the lines.

Which doesn't say anything about it being there, just that if your opponent wants you to clear it you have to honor their request.

Thanks for quoting the rule, note that it says "talk." I suppose this means singing or rapping is okay with you then b/c you go by the book...

whatcha-whatcha-whatcha-whatcha-get back
lob's short
get back
off the court
I didn't sort
get back!

[gmatheis]

Originally Posted by Roforot

Thanks for quoting the rule, note that it says "talk." I suppose this means singing or rapping is okay with you then b/c you go by the book...

whatcha-whatcha-whatcha-whatcha-get back
lob's short
get back
off the court
I didn't sort
get back!

Gotta love idiots

[Sumo]

Originally Posted by gmatheis

Gotta love idiots

That is actually hilarious, and because you've made it clear there is no room for interpretation, he is "technically" right.

[gmatheis]

Originally Posted by Sumo

That is actually hilarious, and because you've made it clear there is no room for interpretation, he is "technically" right.

Yet another one.

[Roforot]

Originally Posted by Sumo

That is actually hilarious, and because you've made it clear there is no room for interpretation, he is "technically" right.

Thanks. I've been lucky in that for the most part I've played against people w/ a good sense of sportsmanship. Gmatheis as you can see is turning to personal insults as he's lost his argument.

[gmatheis]

Originally Posted by Roforot

Thanks. I've been lucky in that for the most part I've played against people w/ a good sense of sportsmanship. Gmatheis as you can see is turning to personal insults as he's lost his argument.

No, I just dont argue with people who aren't worth arguing with.

[Sumo]

Originally Posted by gmatheis

No, I just dont argue with people who aren't worth arguing with.

Too late....

[Rjtennis]

Ive never been distracted to the point of thinking of calling a hinderance. It would have to be a sitter where someone is jumping up & down and screaming for me to call it.

[stapletonj]

Rjtennis
That actually happened in a tournament I was in once in the late 80s. The guy was livid that I claimed the point.

Not only did he jump up and down, he ran towards me screaming and waving his arms.

When the tourney director came out and told him he was wrong, he called a foot fault on me from the opposiste baseline (doubles, he was receiving, I was serving). I have never been called or even warned for a foot fault before or since, despite having played USTA and many tourneys over the years.

Some people are just dbags....