Formula 1 2012

[rainingaces]

Houston

I meant Austin obviously. A real pro fast curcuit, deserves to be a regular on the f1 calendar.

[Pete.Sampras.]

The Red Bull is the best car at the moment and the reason why Vettel will probably win the championship again. Newey is a real genius. I have no doubt that at least half of the drivers in the field would have won the championship in a Red Bull in the last 2-3 years.

I don't know what's wrong with Webber though. Whenever the Red Bull struggles he seems to be on par with Vettel and sometimes even better, but as soon as the RB gets some extra potential, he cannot make use of it as much as Vettel...

Too bad, I think Alonso really deserved it this year, but unless something happens to Vettel in this race or in the next, his chances will be gone. Alonso really did a great job in a car that has never been the best in any race this season.

[tistrapukcipeht]

Vettel should take this Championship if RedBull doesn't have a KERS problem/water leak/...

Alonso has to remember He got lucky a few times when he won and the others didn't score.

Vettel is the fastest guy out there on a single lap.

[tistrapukcipeht]

Meanwhile, dreadful end for KingMacher, the King is retiring once and for all.

No more easy money millions to drive without any compromise or motivation.

[Pete.Sampras.]

Originally Posted by tistrapukcipeht

Meanwhile, dreadful end for KingMacher, the King is retiring once and for all.

No more easy money millions to drive without any compromise or motivation.

I really don't get your antipathy for Schumacher. It is obvious that money was in no way a reason for his comeback. He could sit back and do nothing for the rest of his life and he would probably be richer at the end than he is now (and he's very rich).

Also, I think Vettel is not the fastest man in the field. On a single lap (out of all the drivers for next season), I'd say Hamilton is.

The Reb Bull won the driver's championship. The best driver this season finished second. Alonso had both luck and bad luck, but overall, he did great in a car that was never better than third best. Vettel didn't show much until Newey made his car superior once again. So many drivers even said that and these guys should know what they're talking about.

Hamilton, Rosberg, Schumacher, Button, Alonso, Raikkonen... they all would have won the driver's championship in Vettel's cockpit in the last 2-3 seasons.

[tistrapukcipeht]

Originally Posted by Pete.Sampras.

I really don't get your antipathy for Schumacher. It is obvious that money was in no way a reason for his comeback. He could sit back and do nothing for the rest of his life and he would probably be richer at the end than he is now (and he's very rich).

Also, I think Vettel is not the fastest man in the field. On a single lap (out of all the drivers for next season), I'd say Hamilton is.

The Reb Bull won the driver's championship. The best driver this season finished second. Alonso had both luck and bad luck, but overall, he did great in a car that was never better than third best. Vettel didn't show much until Newey made his car superior once again. So many drivers even said that and these guys should know what they're talking about.

Hamilton, Rosberg, Schumacher, Button, Alonso, Raikkonen... they all would have won the driver's championship in Vettel's cockpit in the last 2-3 seasons.

1- I actually hold Schumacher as the best ever, but his come back was pitiful specially comparing him to a guy like Rosberg.

2- Alonso probably would have won, the others- except Schumacher would have not.

[Pete.Sampras.]

Originally Posted by tistrapukcipeht

1- I actually hold Schumacher as the best ever, but his come back was pitiful specially comparing him to a guy like Rosberg.

2- Alonso probably would have won, the others- except Schumacher would have not.

1. That's a surprise. Well, if you look behind the points you will see that Schumacher was just as good and often even better than Rosberg in 2012. They were pretty equal in 2011 but Schumacher was indeed worse in 2010, after a long break of course.

The reason why he had less points are 6 DNFs in 8 races in the beginning of the season when Mercedes was competitive. Rosberg got the majority of his points in this part of the season. Actually, had Schumacher finished each race at the position he had when his car "broke", he would have been the championship leader in Canada.

Also, Rosberg is one of the best driver's in the F1 these days. Whatever Vettel does, he could do it too. Ask Frank Williams if you don't believe me.

Besides, Alonso said if they all had the same car, Schumacher would still be the best of them all. Vettel said that Schumacher's car was the only reason why he could not show that he still has what it takes, so....

I'm not even such a big Schumacher fan but looking at some of the posts here, I really can't help myself but to post this.

Judging by success, his comeback was a failure. But his own performance was good enough for success. As Lauda said, "the car failed Schumacher".


2. I disagree. But nothing can be proven...

Anyway, it's just a discussion and I hope you don't take anything personal

[ramos77]

for those who say Schumacher was the best ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...YSJO5Ik#t=137s

[chmee]

I think that we'll be able to judge Schu's performance quite accurately when we see how the battle Nico/Lewis unravels.