What level is the guy in the white shirt?

[TomT]

Originally Posted by [ GTR ]

Mark Draper is the other player in the video who is a former pro. I searched up the guy is in the white shirt, hes qualified for a futures tournament before and is top 100 nationally in Australia.

Ok, thanks. Yeah, these guys are world class strokers, imho.

[Torres]

Originally Posted by kiteboard

I've seen local norcal 4.5s who would beat him.

You really are utterly clueless.

[WildVolley]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

The kid is 15 and is playing international junior tourneys. Made the semi's in Japan this year.

What's the accepted NTRP of say a 16-year old who wins a Junior title at a major tournament like Wimbledon or the US Open? 6.0 or something higher? Obviously some of these champions go on to become top 100-players, but some probably never break into the top-100.

[dominikk1985]

Is he really 15? he looks like 13 in that video. is that a current video?

Maybe that is because he is asian. but serious skills. I would even say he is already as good as tonlars.

[TomT]

Originally Posted by dominikk1985

Is he really 15? he looks like 13 in that video. is that a current video?

Maybe that is because he is asian. but serious skills. I would even say he is already as good as tonlars.

He looks about 15 ... to me.

[Torres]

Originally Posted by WildVolley

What's the accepted NTRP of say a 16-year old who wins a Junior title at a major tournament like Wimbledon or the US Open? 6.0 or something higher? Obviously some of these champions go on to become top 100-players, but some probably never break into the top-100.

Have a look at the winners of Junior Wimbledon and the other slams since 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gles_champions

No 'Norcal 4.5' is taking out of any of those guys even when they were 15-16 y/o.

Have a look at his ITF singles record.

No 'Norcal 4.5' is taking him out. Only the deluded would think that.

[WildVolley]

Originally Posted by Torres

Have a look at the winners of Junior Wimbledon and the other slams since 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gles_champions

No 'Norcal 4.5' is taking out of any of those guys even when they were 15-16 y/o.

Yes, a lot of them become legitimate 7.0s who make a good living playing tennis on the tour. So perhaps would we rate this junior as a 5.5-6.0?

I honestly don't really know the difference between a 5.5 and a 6.0. I've watched later to be successful Division 1 players at the high school level. Some of them played ugly but their later rankings suggest they were legitimate 5.5s. This kid is hitting a lot cleaner than those guys, but I still haven't seen him in match play. I'd provisionally rate him 6.0.

[dominikk1985]

Originally Posted by WildVolley

What's the accepted NTRP of say a 16-year old who wins a Junior title at a major tournament like Wimbledon or the US Open? 6.0 or something higher? Obviously some of these champions go on to become top 100-players, but some probably never break into the top-100.

A 17yo who wins wimbledon at the juniors is usually already ranked like 500 in the WR. So he is already a pro player. I'm not sure where 7.0 begins but I would say 500 is at least 6.5.

that guy is not a top junior yet though. he is like 350 in the world but also don't forget he is still young competing against guys 2-3 years older than him.

Of course gasquet won multiple junior slams at age 15 (even took a set off the eventual winner costa in the first round) but that is really rare.

[Cheetah]

Originally Posted by dominikk1985

A 17yo who wins wimbledon at the juniors is usually already ranked like 500 in the WR. So he is already a pro player. I'm not sure where 7.0 begins but I would say 500 is at least 6.5.

that guy is not a top junior yet though. he is like 350 in the world but also don't forget he is still young competing against guys 2-3 years older than him.

Of course gasquet won multiple junior slams at age 15 (even took a set off the eventual winner costa in the first round) but that is really rare.

The definition of 7.0 is not skill based. It's income based.

[dominikk1985]

Originally Posted by Cheetah

The definition of 7.0 is not skill based. It's income based.

at what rank in the ATP are you making significant money?

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

Let's just say the guy is good and then some, when you win points serving and volleying, then you're good.

Is it me, or does he have an odd service motion? (but certainly works for him!)

There's sort of a delay/pause of his racquet-head right before he gets into the trophy position (and a very very brief one too!). Overall, a very snappy service motion.

[[ GTR ]]

Originally Posted by dominikk1985

Is mark draper related to scott draper?

Yep, Mark is the older brother

[rufus_smith]

Originally Posted by DavaiMarat

. This kids shot tolerance is thru the roof!

For educational purposes, can someone explain what shot tolerance means? thanks

[dominikk1985]

Originally Posted by rufus_smith

For educational purposes, can someone explain what shot tolerance means? thanks

It's a made up word. it probably means he is able to return hard shots well.

[WildVolley]

Originally Posted by rufus_smith

For educational purposes, can someone explain what shot tolerance means? thanks

As I understand it, shot tolerance is how many balls a player is used to/willing to hit into play before they feel they must end the point by hitting an awesome shot.

Clay court specialists, for instance, are believed to have a higher shot tolerance, and don't mind hitting 30 balls in a row to win a point. Serve and volley players tend to want to conserve energy and end the point quickly and will become very uncomfortable if pinned to the baseline and therefore, because of a lack of shot tolerance, go for a winner even if they don't have the ball they want.

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by WildVolley

As I understand it, shot tolerance is how many balls a player is used to/willing to hit into play before they feel they must end the point by hitting an awesome shot.

Clay court specialists, for instance, are believed to have a higher shot tolerance, and don't mind hitting 30 balls in a row to win a point. Serve and volley players tend to want to conserve energy and end the point quickly and will become very uncomfortable if pinned to the baseline and therefore, because of a lack of shot tolerance, go for a winner even if they don't have the ball they want.

Shot tolerance is the ability to deal with a level of ball, has nothing to do with patience.

It is one thing to have nice looking or good strokes, but shot tolerance is how they hold up. The difference between having a good forehand return against a 100, a 115, and a 130mph serve. The difference between having a steady backhand against a 4.5 club player's forehand topspin, a DI college kid's topsin, and Rafa's topspin.

A DI college kid can have a beautiful 1hbh, and James Blake can have an ugly 1hbh, but James' backhand can return Roddick's serve where the college kid is overmatched.

J

[WildVolley]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

Shot tolerance is the ability to deal with a level of ball, has nothing to do with patience.

J

It may be that multiple definitions of the term are being used in professional tennis teaching circles. Your definition seems to make sense, but it wasn't the way the term was explained to me by a teaching pro (this was many years ago).

Here's a video of another guy using it in terms of comfort with hitting in long rallies, rather than the other definition in terms of being able to handle balls with a lot of pace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k1sCs2XY2U

The definition of being able to handle pace makes more sense in terms of the video at the start of this thread. The rallies weren't very long, but the ball was being hammered.

[Cheetah]

Originally Posted by dominikk1985

at what rank in the ATP are you making significant money?

around #200-150

[Avles]

I've only heard "shot tolerance" used in the way WildVolley is using it: patience, ability to keep a rally going, number of shots. A google search turns up many examples of pros using the term this way.

I haven't found any examples of people using it J011yroger's way.

[5263]

Originally Posted by WildVolley

As I understand it, shot tolerance is how many balls a player is used to/willing to hit into play before they feel they must end the point by hitting an awesome shot.

Clay court specialists, for instance, are believed to have a higher shot tolerance, and don't mind hitting 30 balls in a row to win a point. Serve and volley players tend to want to conserve energy and end the point quickly and will become very uncomfortable if pinned to the baseline and therefore, because of a lack of shot tolerance, go for a winner even if they don't have the ball they want.

IMO this is an excellent explanation.