Priority One, Stringing & Customizing, and The Hall Of Fame - Page 6

AlfaAce · 11-16-2012, 07:01 PM

Yeah, the clientele obviously speaks for itself. Of course, all those guys can afford anything they want. Had no idea that P1 has been in the biz for 20+ years. I would like to experience the P1 difference first hand. Hope I get the opportunity someday. Congrats again, and I second this as a "GOAT THREAD!"

Nostradamus · 11-16-2012, 07:18 PM

why doesn't these guys make P1 rackets ?

usta2050 · 11-19-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

why doesn't these guys make P1 rackets ?

Low margin, too competitive, can't pay the big $$$ for sponsorships...

Quality rackets don't sell. Top players sell rackets.

ART ART · 11-20-2012, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by usta2050

Low margin, too competitive, can't pay the big $$$ for sponsorships...

Quality rackets don't sell. Top players sell rackets.

1000% correct!

Irvin · 11-20-2012, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by usta2050

Low margin, too competitive, can't pay the big $$$ for sponsorships...

Quality rackets don't sell. Top players sell rackets.

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Originally Posted by ART ART

1000% correct!

Then again maybe you are under the illusion that Wilson makes Federer's rackets. That being the case why does he need to go to P1?

Rabbit · 11-20-2012, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvin

Then again maybe you are under the illusion that Wilson makes Federer's rackets. That being the case why does he need to go to P1?

sorry, I am completely missing your point. All racquets for retail are made in China. Do you know for a fact that Federer's racquets aren't made in China or aren't made by Wilson in Chicago?

Irvin · 11-20-2012, 05:45 AM

Just trying to say that P1 modifies the rackets in such a way that they are not like the rackets anyone can buy off the shelf. Why would anyone pay $40K/yr for rackets they can buy off the shelf?

Rabbit · 11-20-2012, 05:55 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

OH, OK. Well because Federer makes $2M/year on his Wilson deal alone. 40K to him is like a nickel to you and me.

P1 also ensures that all his frames are identical and probably most importantly builds him a custom grip. They also follow him world wide and string for him.

When you have made $8M in a year and $76M in a career, $40K a year to make sure your tools are perfect is hardly noticeable.

Irvin · 11-20-2012, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabbit

... P1 also ensures that all his frames are identical and probably most importantly builds him a custom grip. They also follow him world wide and string for him...

I had a friend that worked on the assembly line for Ford. He told everyone he built trucks. I am sure he didn't build the whole trucks from scratch. Like I said who says P1 does not build rackets?

EDIT: I guess it would have been more correct to say P1 (and others) provides customized rackets and services to their customers.

EDIT: Are Jimmie Johnson's cars made by Chevrolet or Hendrick Motorsports?

ART ART · 11-20-2012, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvin

Then again maybe you are under the illusion that Wilson makes Federer's rackets. That being the case why does he need to go to P1?

interesting... are you saying that P1 buy the mold/racket from Wilson, Head, Babolat, and then they make the rackets?

If so, in wich factory? wich materials they use to produce the rackets? where they get those materials? do P1 have they'r one production line ?...

Check this post from Ron P1:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showp...6&postcount=37

Can you explain it more?

Thank's

Rabbit · 11-20-2012, 08:51 AM

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Rabbit · 11-20-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvin

I had a friend that worked on the assembly line for Ford. He told everyone he built trucks. I am sure he didn't build the whole trucks from scratch. Like I said who says P1 does not build rackets?

EDIT: I guess it would have been more correct to say P1 (and others) provides customized rackets and services to their customers.

EDIT: Are Jimmie Johnson's cars made by Chevrolet or Hendrick Motorsports?

OK, so you're really arguing semantics. Got it.

Irvin · 11-20-2012, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ART ART

interesting... are you saying that P1 buy the mold/racket from Wilson, Head, Babolat, and then they make the rackets?

If so, in wich factory? wich materials they use to produce the rackets? where they get those materials? do P1 have they'r one production line ?...

Check this post from Ron P1:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showp...6&postcount=37

Can you explain it more?

Thank's

No I didn't say that, but I do think that play a big role in the completion of the racket.

Roger Wawrinka · 11-20-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by drakulie

Sam Querrey frames in P1 bags:

Ron Yu taking a break:

Glynn, stringing Federer's frames:

I know that you should mount racquets with the butt cap facing up, but look at fed's frame. The butt cap is upside down. You can see this because on most racquets including that one, if the W on the butt cap is facing up then so is the Wilson logo on the top of the racquet.

Anyone know why fed's is like this?

Rabbit · 11-20-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Wawrinka

I know that you should mount racquets with the butt cap facing up, but look at fed's frame. The butt cap is upside down. You can see this because on most racquets including that one, if the W on the butt cap is facing up then so is the Wilson logo on the top of the racquet.

Anyone know why fed's is like this?

What does the direction of the butt cap have to do with mounting/stringing?

Rabbit · 11-20-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvin

EDIT: Are Jimmie Johnson's cars made by Chevrolet or Hendrick Motorsports?

this is really not an apples to apples comparison if you agree that Wilson's mold is used and the frame itself, the hairpin, is manufactured by some entity other than P1. NASCAR cars are basically one-offs which have never been around a Big 3 manufacturing plant.

RJYU · 11-20-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Wawrinka

I know that you should mount racquets with the butt cap facing up, but look at fed's frame. The butt cap is upside down. You can see this because on most racquets including that one, if the W on the butt cap is facing up then so is the Wilson logo on the top of the racquet.

Anyone know why fed's is like this?

The buttcap is not upside down. All of his buttcaps are put on the same way. Maybe not the same way as the factory puts on the buttcaps, but we put them all on the same way for Roger as in the above picture. The buttcap and the way the grip is started go hand in hand because their orientation dictates how Roger holds the racquet.

RJYU · 11-20-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabbit

What does the direction of the butt cap have to do with mounting/stringing?

At P1, we always try to mount the racquet with the logo on the buttcap facing up. Not for any playability issues, but we want to have the grommets compressed the same way and also use same tie off holes. Again, not necessarily for a playability reason, but mainly for aesthetics. We want all the racquets in the player's bag to look identical, right down to the tie off placement in relation to the buttcap orientation.

bcart1991 · 11-20-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RJYU

We want all the racquets in the player's bag to look identical, right down to the tie off placement in relation to the buttcap orientation.

The Devil is in the details. Wonderful work, wonderful thread.

Dags · 11-20-2012, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RJYU

We want all the racquets in the player's bag to look identical, right down to the tie off placement in relation to the buttcap orientation.

Does everyone at P1 string in exactly the same way, with the same technique for starting mains, same pattern (for any given racquet) and same knots? Or do you have personal preferences?

I remember some time ago one of the members of this board got his hands on a Federer match racquet, and you commented that it wasn't one of yours. I wasn't sure if that's because you can spot your own handiwork from 100 yards, or if the owner revealed which tournament it was from and you knew someone else was stringing Roger's racquets there.

11-16-2012, 07:18 PM	#102
Nostradamus Hall Of Fame Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: In the future Posts: 4,161	why doesn't these guys make P1 rackets ? __________________ Babolat Pure drive 2012, 55 lbs, Kirschbaum Proline X / X-1 biphase. Nalbandian backhand and Nadal forehand.

11-20-2012, 05:45 AM	#107
Irvin Legend Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Marietta, Ga Posts: 6,971	Just trying to say that P1 modifies the rackets in such a way that they are not like the rackets anyone can buy off the shelf. Why would anyone pay $40K/yr for rackets they can buy off the shelf? __________________ Irvin - I wish Facebook would notify me when people delete me so I can 'Like it'

11-20-2012, 05:55 AM	#108
Rabbit G.O.A.T. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: at the bottom of every hill I come to Posts: 11,116	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ OH, OK. Well because Federer makes $2M/year on his Wilson deal alone. 40K to him is like a nickel to you and me. P1 also ensures that all his frames are identical and probably most importantly builds him a custom grip. They also follow him world wide and string for him. When you have made $8M in a year and $76M in a career, $40K a year to make sure your tools are perfect is hardly noticeable. __________________ Wilson Steam 99S poly Luxilon 4G 1.25 @ 45

11-20-2012, 08:51 AM	#111
Rabbit G.O.A.T. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: at the bottom of every hill I come to Posts: 11,116	......................... __________________ Wilson Steam 99S poly Luxilon 4G 1.25 @ 45

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