Nadal and Djokovic would not have survived the 80's and 90's - Becker

[dimeaxe]

Lendlmac, please shut up, you know nothing about tennis.

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by timnz

I don't think people really appreciate how much easier the career slam has become in recent years. Still a fine achievement yes, but not a fraction as hard as it was pre-2002. It is highly likely that Nadal wouldn't have won Wimbledon once given pre-2002 conditions. Also in the 80s players played on 4 surfaces (remember how important indoor carpet was then?) whereas players now only play on 3. Nadal would struggle greatly on indoor carpet and also on grass.

How can someone who has beaten Federer in Wimbledon "struggle" on grass?

[timnz]

Originally Posted by sureshs

How can someone who has beaten Federer in Wimbledon "struggle" on grass?

Please re-read the whole of the paragraph I wrote. I said that he would struggle on pre-2002 Wimbledon Grass. The surface has been radically changed since then. It used to be a fast surface, now it is a medium speed surface. Nadal would struggle on pre-2002 Wimbledon grass.

[abmk]

Originally Posted by Sabratha

Why wouldn't Djokovic do well in the 90s era? He's essentially a much better version of Lleyton Hewitt.

in some ways yes, but in some ways no. His passing ability is nowhere close and I don't think his returning vs SnVers is that good compared to Lleyton .....

[lendlmac]

Originally Posted by dimeaxe

Lendlmac, please shut up, you know nothing about tennis.

Actually i do know a lot more than you first hand. I know tennis history and tennis in the 80's.

After careful research in tothe career of Federer.. Federers' game is better more suited to the 90's style of play, where baseline tennis was overtaking serve and volley tennis of the 80's... Federer and nadal and Djokovic woudl have THIRVED in the 90's.

90's Tennis

Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Wheaton, Martin and Ivanisevic, Berasetugi, Brugera, Muster, Kaflenkov, Stich, Kriajeck, Enquist, Rios, Henman, Ferriera, Rusedski, Rafter, Kucera, Rosset, Medvedev, Woodbridge, Phillpousis


80's Tennis

Federer, Nadal and Djokovic would have been burried and burned by the overwhelmingly fast , slick courts and fast serve and volley tennis of this Golden Era of Tennis....I do not se Federer "hanging with the Big Boys of the 80's:

Connors, Borg, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Mecir, Gerulitis, Becker, Edberg, Gilbert, Forget, Noah, Cash, Jarryd, Curren, Krickstein, Mayotte, Leconte, Vilas, Clerc, Pernfors

[helloworld]

Originally Posted by lendlmac

Actually i do know a lot more than you first hand. I know tennis history and tennis in the 80's.

After careful research in tothe career of Federer.. Federers' game is better more suited to the 90's style of play, where baseline tennis was overtaking serve and volley tennis of the 80's... Federer and nadal and Djokovic woudl have THIRVED in the 90's.

90's Tennis

Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Wheaton, Martin and Ivanisevic, Berasetugi, Brugera, Muster, Kaflenkov, Stich, Kriajeck, Enquist, Rios, Henman, Ferriera, Rusedski, Rafter, Kucera, Rosset, Medvedev, Woodbridge, Phillpousis


80's Tennis

Federer, Nadal and Djokovic would have been burried and burned by the overwhelmingly fast , slick courts and fast serve and volley tennis of this Golden Era of Tennis....I do not se Federer "hanging with the Big Boys of the 80's:

Connors, Borg, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Mecir, Gerulitis, Becker, Edberg, Gilbert, Forget, Noah, Cash, Jarryd, Curren, Krickstein, Mayotte, Leconte, Vilas, Clerc, Pernfors

Borg is the 80s player? He barely plays the 80s. Becker also played in best in the 90s. IMO, Dealing with the likes of Sampras, Agassi, Courier, Becker, Krajicek, Ivanisevic, is definitely tougher than dealing with Clerc, Pernfors, Gilbert, and the likes....

[tudwell]

Originally Posted by lendlmac

80's Tennis

Federer, Nadal and Djokovic would have been burried and burned by the overwhelmingly fast , slick courts and fast serve and volley tennis of this Golden Era of Tennis....I do not se Federer "hanging with the Big Boys of the 80's:

Connors, Borg, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Mecir, Gerulitis, Becker, Edberg, Gilbert, Forget, Noah, Cash, Jarryd, Curren, Krickstein, Mayotte, Leconte, Vilas, Clerc, Pernfors

What are you talking about? Four of the first five names you list are decidedly not serve and volley players. And most players stayed back and rallied from the baseline with great frequency, especially on slower surfaces. I think Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic all could have succeeded in those conditions.

[5555]

Originally Posted by DRII

Nole is definitely not a 'natural attacker'.

Federer's opinion carries far more weight than yours.

[helloworld]

Novak in his teenage years was definite definitely a natural attacker. Now that he has matured, his game has become much more balance, and much better IMO.

[Clay lover]

They won't be as successful...

Just like Becker won't be as successful in this era...

And the fact is...they play in whatever era they are born into...

I don't know why anybody, be it pros or keyboard warriors, would want to hypothetically take players out of an era and place them somewhere else just to somehow belittle their achievements...

Unless there is some motivation.

[DRII]

Originally Posted by 5555

Federer's opinion carries far more weight than yours.

and...

your point?

Federer can believe what he wants, but Nole is not a natural attacker especially not now!

He plays aggressively against Federer, however his game is a defensive baseliner who can and will go for his shots...

[tudwell]

Originally Posted by Clay lover

They won't be as successful...

Just like Becker won't be as successful in this era...

I don't know. He's basically a much better version of Tsonga, and Tsonga has been able to stay consistently in the top ten, win a Masters, and make a number of deep runs in slams in this era. Becker, with a better serve, better return, and an infinitely better backhand, would definitely still be able to win slams.

[TheFifthSet]

Originally Posted by DRII

and...

your point?

Federer can believe what he wants, but Nole is not a natural attacker especially not now!

He plays aggressively against Federer, however his game is a defensive baseliner who can and will go for his shots...

Yeah, not now, but he was undeniably an aggressive baseliner back in the day. Watch the '07 Miami QF match versus Nadal.

[TheFifthSet]

Originally Posted by tudwell

I don't know. He's basically a much better version of Tsonga, and Tsonga has been able to stay consistently in the top ten, win a Masters, and make a number of deep runs in slams in this era. Becker, with a better serve, better return, and an infinitely better backhand, would definitely still be able to win slams.

Not to mention better net game, better movement, and stronger between the ears.

[DRII]

Originally Posted by TheFifthSet

Yeah, not now, but he was undeniably an aggressive baseliner back in the day. Watch the '07 Miami QF match versus Nadal.

I agree, i think both Nole and Nadal were more aggressive in 2008 and before than after 08; and both less successful as well...

[tenisu]

Originally Posted by Clay lover

They won't be as successful...

Just like Becker won't be as successful in this era...

And the fact is...they play in whatever era they are born into...

I don't know why anybody, be it pros or keyboard warriors, would want to hypothetically take players out of an era and place them somewhere else just to somehow belittle their achievements...

Unless there is some motivation.

This so many times.
Everyone, pros or otherwise, keep extrapolating these what-if scenarios as though no one has ever heard of confounding variables.
People are nothing without their external context. They grow up training and adapting their game to the current conditions they have to play in.

What is the point in all of this other than a fanboy's wet dream?

[The-Champ]

Originally Posted by TheFifthSet

Not to mention better net game, better movement, and stronger between the ears.

Becker had better movement than Tsonga?

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by The-Champ

Becker had better movement than Tsonga?

He definitely did.

[5555]

Originally Posted by DRII

and...

your point?

Federer can believe what he wants, but Nole is not a natural attacker especially not now!

He plays aggressively against Federer, however his game is a defensive baseliner who can and will go for his shots...

1. Your statement is not a fact but just your opinion
2. Your opinion is irrelevant because you are not a tennis expert
3. Federer's opinion is relevant because he is a tennis expert

Djokovic is a agressive baseliner now. Go to Google http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&tbo=d...w=1680&bih=895

Originally Posted by TheFifthSet

Watch the '07 Miami QF match versus Nadal.

Full match here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irMTThmEkxo

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by 5555

1. Your statement is not a fact but just your opinion
2. Your opinion is irrelevant because you are not a tennis expert
3. Federer's opinion is relevant because he is a tennis expert

Djokovic is a agressive baseliner now. Go to Google http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&tbo=d...w=1680&bih=895



Full match here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irMTThmEkxo

Djokovic is a defensive player. He used to be aggressive back in 2007/2008.