Nadal and Djokovic would not have survived the 80's and 90's - Becker

[djokovic2008]

Originally Posted by helloworld

Novak in his teenage years was definite definitely a natural attacker. Now that he has matured, his game has become much more balance, and much better IMO.

This is exactly the path novak has taken and what a great path it has turned out to be.

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by djokovic2008

This is exactly the path novak has taken and what a great path it has turned out to be.

It helped him attain the #1 ranking, so it was worth it.

[5555]

Originally Posted by Sabratha

Djokovic is a defensive player.

Your opinion is irrelevant because you are not a tennis expert. Federer said of Djokovic: “We both play aggressive tennis" http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...ic-in-atp.html

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by 5555

Your opinion is irrelevant because you are not a tennis expert. Federer said of Djokovic: “We both play aggressive tennis" http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...ic-in-atp.html

Did he say "Djokovic plays aggressive tennis against everybody"? No. He did not, he said "we both play aggressive tennis"; which could mean they both have to switch to that kind of tennis when playing each other because being defensive is ineffective.

[BeHappy]

Originally Posted by djokovic2008

This is exactly the path novak has taken and what a great path it has turned out to be.

It could shorten his career though. It worked for Lendl who made the same switch to boring defensive pusher tennis and had the same success as Djoker and Lendl played till 34 though, so maybe not.

[DRII]

Originally Posted by 5555

Your opinion is irrelevant because you are not a tennis expert. Federer said of Djokovic: “We both play aggressive tennis" http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...ic-in-atp.html

You, and your interpertation of Federer's opinion, are out numbered; regardless of your insults!

There are many pros, or as you say tennis experts, who would classify Nole as a great defensive player vs being a 'natural attacker'...

[djokovic2008]

Originally Posted by DRII

You, and your interpertation of Federer's opinion, are out numbered; regardless of your insults!

There are many pros, or as you say tennis experts, who would classify Nole as a great defensive player vs being a 'natural attacker'...

Yes and there are just as many experts who classify him as an agressive baseliner which he is. You cannot be number 1 and win as many slams and many comebacks from match point down if you are a defensive player you need weapons which djoker has.

[DRII]

Originally Posted by djokovic2008

Yes and there are just as many experts who classify him as an agressive baseliner which he is. You cannot be number 1 and win as many slams and many comebacks from match point down if you are a defensive player you need weapons which djoker has.

Try reading...

I and others have stated that Nole has weapons and can and will pull the trigger. However, at heart he is a defensive player nowadays. An aggressive baseliner was a player like Agassi or peak Delpo/Solderling. Nole depends more on defense than those players...

[NadalAgassi]

Djokovic is probably a more defensively great baseliner than offensive, but in no way is he just a defensive player. He has very good offense. His groundstrokes can overpower virtually everyone, his returning is superb, he is willing to go to net, and his serve can be a weapon on a good day. Just check his winners stats, other than sometimes Federer, he usually always leads his opponents in that.

[The-Champ]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

He definitely did.

Disagree.

Tsonga has better movement than Becker. It's not even comparable.

[abmk]

I think in the back-court, lateral movement wise, tsonga and becker are about even .... as far as forward movement goes, tsonga is clearly better ...

[5555]

Originally Posted by Sabratha

Did he say "Djokovic plays aggressive tennis against everybody"? No. He did not, he said "we both play aggressive tennis"; which could mean they both have to switch to that kind of tennis when playing each other because being defensive is ineffective.

Tennis.com: "Djokovic is at his most lethal on hard courts. A take-charge service return and an aggressive ground game enable him to push opponents back and batter them into submission." http://www.tennis.com/news/2012/08/2...jokovic/39010/

Originally Posted by BeHappy

defensive pusher tennis

Your opinion is irrelevant because you are not a tennis expert.

Originally Posted by DRII

You, and your interpertation of Federer's opinion, are out numbered; regardless of your insults!

There are many pros, or as you say tennis experts, who would classify Nole as a great defensive player vs being a 'natural attacker'...

Have you got proof that many tennis experts regard Djokovic as a defensive player?

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Djokovic is probably a more defensively great baseliner than offensive

Your opinion is irrelevant because you are not a tennis expert.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by abmk

I think in the back-court, lateral movement wise, tsonga and becker are about even .... as far as forward movement goes, tsonga is clearly better ...

Becker has two little things in between his legs that Tsonga can only dream of...not to mention a far better serve,ROs and a decent volley.

[fps]

Just to crash in about the original post....

This stuff doesn't matter. If the surfaces now were as they were then, we would be talking about different players anyway, because Rafa and Novak wouldn't be doing as well.

In other words, this era against other eras is a dumb argument because the best players on a given surface rise to the top and the surfaces Becker played on barely get an airing now. If the courts had been slower in Becker's time, it's not a question of whether Becker would have adapted, because there's no guarantee he would have been part of the conversation when it comes to top players.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by 5555

Your opinion is irrelevant because you are not a tennis expert.

LOL and you think YOU are. Apparently you cant read, I was actually defending Djokovic's offensive abilities by saying he was very good offensively as well as defensively, moreso than others on this thread were saying. So if that apparently isnt good enough for you, what the heck do you want someone to say, that he is even better an attacker than defender. You truly are a blind Djokovic fanatic if that is the case, even his other ardent fans on this forum (the sane ones) like Ripster and Towser and others wouldnt say that. As for what experts think name me one single expert on the planet who says Djokovic is a greater attacking player than defensive one. Good luck, you will need it (barring making something up). PS- McEnroe calling Djokovic the best returner ever does not equate to calling him a better attacking player than defender, sorry.

[abmk]

Originally Posted by kiki

Becker has two little things in between his legs that Tsonga can only dream of...not to mention a far better serve,ROs and a decent volley.

a better serve, yes, far better, don't think so ...

obviously a much better RoS and a better volley ..

that wasn't the 'point of dispute' in the discussion though .... only their movement was .........

[kiki]

Originally Posted by abmk

a better serve, yes, far better, don't think so ...

obviously a much better RoS and a better volley ..

that wasn't the 'point of dispute' in the discussion though .... only their movement was .........

I agree Tsonga is a far better mover than Becker.And more reliable from the baseline, too.But not in the same league overall.

[The-Champ]

Originally Posted by kiki

Becker has two little things in between his legs that Tsonga can only dream of...not to mention a far better serve,ROs and a decent volley.

It should be the opposite. The size of Tsonga's thing between his legs is something Boris can only dream of.


Anyway, Becker is the better player overall, but movement-wise Tsonga is superior. Tsonga covers the court almost as good as the top 4.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by The-Champ

It should be the opposite. The size of Tsonga's thing between his legs is something Boris can only dream of.


Anyway, Becker is the better player overall, but movement-wise Tsonga is superior. Tsonga covers the court almost as good as the top 4.

I believe all races are equal

[5555]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

As for what experts think name me one single expert on the planet who says Djokovic is a greater attacking player than defensive one.

After 20 days you still have not replied to this post http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showp...&postcount=265

Originally Posted by DRII

You, and your interpertation of Federer's opinion, are out numbered; regardless of your insults!

There are many pros, or as you say tennis experts, who would classify Nole as a great defensive player vs being a 'natural attacker'...

Have you got proof that many tennis experts regard Djokovic as a defensive player?