Djokovic & Adidas

[Bobby Jr]

Originally Posted by dr325i

I enjoy this, challenging both of them to show me a single proof or lead other than he is a #1 therefore must be sponsored. With all the other sports Adidas is making much more than with the barricades....or tennis...

I just wanted what the two smarties do for living.

The proof is in the pudding if you chose to open your eyes.

Time and time again you say the same thing in a different manner, no matter what new example or situation arises to show otherwise - Tomas Berdych above for example.

You approach every new ripple in this ongoing discussion as if it's some person affront to your self-professed expertise on Djokovic. You may know someone who knows someone who knows someone from backwater Europe - I actually have no doubt you do - but it means nothing in terms of what is the most probable scenario for one of the most high profile sportspeople on the planet by way of endorsement.

We've been through dozens of iterations of examples to show your analogies are not quite as clear cut or definitive as you suggest and you come back every time with the same old "it's not on his website", "Adidas don't have him on his website" and, the newer slant, "he's not wearing the current model/colour-way". These are simply not definitive arguments - not even close - and suggesting they are is folly.

You ask for proof he was sponsored by Adidas - well let's look at it another way. Why don't you prove why he isn't? You can't, so stop transferring your daytime middle-management hand-nose sales attitude to an area as if you're an expert in sponsorship of sporting goods.

We've been through nonsense time and time again with you calling me Junior and trying to browbeat me into saying what I do and I haven't for one good reason - because it's way more fun to see you come back again and again like a red bull to a rag as if you're mr know-it-all on everything related to Djokoivc.

[dimeaxe]

Originally Posted by dr325i

I enjoy this, challenging both of them to show me a single proof or lead other than he is a #1 therefore must be sponsored. With all the other sports Adidas is making much more than with the barricades....or tennis...

I just wanted what the two smarties do for living.

Doktore, ne zahebavaj klince, mislim da Novak ima neku vrstu "deala" sa Adidasom, vidis da i van terena nosi iskljucivo njihove patike, verujem da dobija i neku kintu od njih.

[Bobby Jr]

Originally Posted by dr325i

Oh, I just realized that Berdych is done with the Nike so, this was another useless post of Junior's...

Is he leaving Nike?

So... your assertion is that when players are done with a brand they give up with putting any effort in near the end? Fair enough. A pretty convenient twist for you.

On your comment about Justin Bieber and him promoting whatever - Do you recall in Agassi's book when he talks about wearing a pair of Oakleys. And the publicity value was such that he returned home one day to find a car being delivered as a gift from them? And that was in, what, 1991?? It seems even quite random associations can have significant value for some brands.

[jokinla]

Originally Posted by dr325i

Do you think EVERY celebrity gets paid by whatever shoe company they wear. I am sure that Justin B-whatever kid is actually MUCH better promoter than any tennis player for any shoe company....

I didn't think so.
Him being a #1 in tennis and dressed in competitors clothes means little to Adidas.
Just like it did with Murray a few years ago before he joined Adidas and switched between Adidas and Nike as he wanted...
And, he was #4 in the world, more marketable than the current #1...

We're not talking about EVERY celebrity, we're talking about the #1 ranked tennis player in the world, and again, common sense tells anyone that since probably some time in the 70's, the #1 ranked player in the world has had a shoe deal. Even if your silly theory was true, that with ST he couldn't be paid to wear a shoe, which is absurd to even type, but let's visit fantasyland for a minute, since that deal was signed, Djoker has become the #1 player, has won multiple slams, and would now certainly not be allowed to sign a new deal, with a different company, under the same ridiculous terms, that limit him from being paid by Adidas to wear their shoes and use his picture in print ads, instead he'd just continue to do it for free, BAHAHAHAHA!!!, sorry I cracked myself up there, you're right, I don't think he gets paid by Adidas, I mean, they care enough to pay players like Florian Mayer, Gilles Simon, Marcos Bagdhatis, but who cares about that Djokovic guy, he'll do it for free, good theory.

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by jokinla

We're not talking about EVERY celebrity, we're talking about the #1 ranked tennis player in the world, and again, common sense tells anyone that since probably some time in the 70's, the #1 ranked player in the world has had a shoe deal. Even if your silly theory was true, that with ST he couldn't be paid to wear a shoe, which is absurd to even type, but let's visit fantasyland for a minute, since that deal was signed, Djoker has become the #1 player, has won multiple slams, and would now certainly not be allowed to sign a new deal, with a different company, under the same ridiculous terms, that limit him from being paid by Adidas to wear their shoes and use his picture in print ads, instead he'd just continue to do it for free, BAHAHAHAHA!!!, sorry I cracked myself up there, you're right, I don't think he gets paid by Adidas, I mean, they care enough to pay players like Florian Mayer, Gilles Simon, Marcos Bagdhatis, but who cares about that Djokovic guy, he'll do it for free, good theory.

wow., your proof is great, made me a believer now...
You have no idea what you're talking about...
Before cracking yourself up more, explain me the #4, much greater potential, much more marketable guy, Murray, a few years ago?! Why did they pass on him, then?

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by dimeaxe

Doktore, ne zahebavaj klince, mislim da Novak ima neku vrstu "deala" sa Adidasom, vidis da i van terena nosi iskljucivo njihove patike, verujem da dobija i neku kintu od njih.

ma sto da ne, kad su paljevine...
Mozda ima neku sicu od deala, ali daleko od onoga sto na primer Murray, Rafa i Fed imaju...

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

You ask for proof he was sponsored by Adidas - well let's look at it another way. Why don't you prove why he isn't? You can't, so stop transferring your daytime middle-management hand-nose sales attitude to an area as if you're an expert in sponsorship of sporting goods.

We've been through nonsense time and time again with you calling me Junior and trying to browbeat me into saying what I do and I haven't for one good reason - because it's way more fun to see you come back again and again like a red bull to a rag as if you're mr know-it-all on everything related to Djokoivc.

Bobby,

I am in Marketing for the most profitable BU of a multi-billion company,so, I know a little bit about the Marketing stuff...
How about you, you are still hiding it. Why?
I never claimed I knew everything about Djokovic, far from it, however, I can certainly claim I know more about him than you do...

[Bobby Jr]

Originally Posted by jokinla

We're not talking about EVERY celebrity, we're talking about the #1 ranked tennis player in the world, and again, common sense tells anyone that since probably some time in the 70's, the #1 ranked player in the world has had a shoe deal. Even if your silly theory was true, that with ST he couldn't be paid to wear a shoe, which is absurd to even type, but let's visit fantasyland for a minute, since that deal was signed, Djoker has become the #1 player, has won multiple slams, and would now certainly not be allowed to sign a new deal, with a different company, under the same ridiculous terms, that limit him from being paid by Adidas to wear their shoes and use his picture in print ads, instead he'd just continue to do it for free, BAHAHAHAHA!!!, sorry I cracked myself up there, you're right, I don't think he gets paid by Adidas, I mean, they care enough to pay players like Florian Mayer, Gilles Simon, Marcos Bagdhatis, but who cares about that Djokovic guy, he'll do it for free, good theory.

Exactly....

Kei Nishikori... proof that another Uniqlo sponsored player likes to wear Adidas shoes for free or another example of a highly likely shoe endorsement dead from a company which, to my knowledge, doesn't make performance sports shoes so would seem odd if any clothing deal precluded a shoe deal elsewhere - even if it was on a "wearing only" basis.

[3fees]

novak djokovic is still sponsored by adidas for tennis shoes only,,that why he still wears Barricade 7's:

List of adidas sponsorships

see
23 Tennis
23.1 Players

here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...orships#Tennis

Novak Djokovic (tennis shoes only)

[Bobby Jr]

Originally Posted by dr325i

Bobby,

I am in Marketing for the most profitable BU of a multi-billion company,so, I know a little bit about the Marketing stuff...

You work for Texas Instruments. Big deal. Tell me how this relates to sporting goods marketing?

Originally Posted by dr325i

How about you, you are still hiding it. Why?

Already explained why. Because it's more fun this way. It allows people with browbeating approaches to forming a persuasive viewpoint to run free.

Originally Posted by dr325i

I never claimed I knew everything about Djokovic, far from it, however, I can certainly claim I know more about him than you do...

You have, but in not so many words, on many occasions.

So far as Djokovic I have no doubt you know more about him than me. In terms of sports marketing you've shown a pretty elementary view of how things could, should or do work - one which has kept me amused on a few occasions.

What would I know though, I've only worked in global-brand advertising/marketing strategy for 20 years?

[jokinla]

Originally Posted by dr325i

wow., your proof is great, made me a believer now...
You have no idea what you're talking about...
Before cracking yourself up more, explain me the #4, much greater potential, much more marketable guy, Murray, a few years ago?! Why did they pass on him, then?

So I'm supposed to believe that after being dumped by Adidas for Murray, Djoker continues to wear their product for free, and allows them to use his image in print ads, for free, no money, zip, zilch, nada, good one, and you said you work in marketing, funny. The proof is everywhere, in print ads, on websites stating such, most importantly on his feet winning slams, not sure what more you need, perhaps a video of Djoker at Adidas signing a contract and then cashing a check, BAHAHAHA, sorry, did it again, anyway you stick to your theory, marketing guy, wannabe doctor, whatever, seems obvious who knows what they're talking about.

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by jokinla

So I'm supposed to believe that after being dumped by Adidas for Murray, Djoker continues to wear their product for free, and allows them to use his image in print ads, for free, no money, zip, zilch, nada, good one, and you said you work in marketing, funny. The proof is everywhere, in print ads, on websites stating such, most importantly on his feet winning slams, not sure what more you need, perhaps a video of Djoker at Adidas signing a contract and then cashing a check, BAHAHAHA, sorry, did it again, anyway you stick to your theory, marketing guy, wannabe doctor, whatever, seems obvious who knows what they're talking about.

Your little wannabe funny Comments make your arguments look so stupid, you have no idea. "wannabe doctor" - where did this come from, smart guy? I assume seeing "Dr" in my nick, which is my name initials lead your little brain to that conclusion, right?
I'd suggest you stay out of this discussion since you don't have what it takes to participate...
Btw, Djokovic dumped Adidas, not the other way around

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

Already explained why. Because it's more fun this way. It allows people with browbeating approaches to forming a persuasive viewpoint to run free.


You have, but in not so many words, on many occasions.

So far as Djokovic I have no doubt you know more about him than me. In terms of sports marketing you've shown a pretty elementary view of how things could, should or do work - one which has kept me amused on a few occasions.

What would I know though, I've only worked in global-brand advertising/marketing strategy for 20 years?

Bobby,

I am not sure I believe.your last comment since you mentioned once that you were in your 30s. You either lied about your age, your experience or you believe you are THAT good. Reading your comments on this board, I assume it is the last one which is lying to yourself and to others...

Btw, still waiting on your 20-yr experienced explanation what happened to the world's #4 before signing up with Adidas? Was his contract so flexible to allow him to wear Niles at some slams as he wanted?

[Bobby Jr]

Originally Posted by dr325i

Bobby,

I am not sure I believe.your last comment since you mentioned once that you were in your 30s. You either lied about your age, your experience or you believe you are THAT good. Reading your comments on this board, I assume it is the last one which is lying to yourself and to others...

Btw, still waiting on your 20-yr experienced explanation what happened to the world's #4 before signing up with Adidas? Was his contract so flexible to allow him to wear Niles at some slams as he wanted?

Give it a rest drop-kick. Worked in agency while studying, worked for years, studied again while working in another agency.... just shy of 20. Close enough for most people I imagine.

You are such an unmitigated blow-hard on this topic it's beyond funny man - especially when you post pretty reasonably elsewhere on the forum. Typical of someone who is so cocksure of themselves always banging on about how experienced they are, how big the company they work for is, how bla bla bla. No-one cares and it makes no difference to your desperate desire to be some paternal overseer on all things related to Djokovic.

As I said earlier, the reason why I hadn't put what I did - and I haven't yet in any detail (nor have you - but I know you've got a background in sales by the way you approach every situation) - is I don't give two hoots what you think of me. For all I know you dress up as a ninja or wear Djokovic pyjamas to get your jollies. It. Means. Nothing. To. Me.... other than having a good laugh every time you espouse your musings on something which for a fact you cannot be certain about. The entire topic is merely people comparing their views, related examples and experiences to work out what is/maybe going on. The fact you are so completely sure of your position when it barely makes commercial sense, and despite the elementary level example you've used (re: lack of website mentions etc) which you've repeated ad nauseum in attempts to bolster your view is pretty hilarious. You literally wont concede a single point on the topic and yet think your own broad strokes analogies cannot be faulted.

I, and Jokinla, have posited many reasonable examples and anecdotes related to sponsorship - some of which will be wrong and some which will be right and others in-between, but you simply wont accept any of them.

I'd like to say this is the last I have to say in this thread, but it probably wont be.

[Adidas_Anderson]

Originally Posted by 3fees

novak djokovic is still sponsored by adidas for tennis shoes only,,that why he still wears Barricade 7's:

List of adidas sponsorships

see
23 Tennis
23.1 Players

here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...orships#Tennis

Novak Djokovic (tennis shoes only)

First thing its wikipedia, Wikipedia is not god ( Students knows this lol...
Second check the list there is Paul-Henri Mathieu Sponsored by adidas.

Hope you get what i mean

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

Give it a rest drop-kick. Worked in agency while studying, worked for years, studied again while working in another agency.... just shy of 20. Close enough for most people I imagine.

You are such an unmitigated blow-hard on this topic it's beyond funny man - especially when you post pretty reasonably elsewhere on the forum. Typical of someone who is so cocksure of themselves always banging on about how experienced they are, how big the company they work for is, how bla bla bla. No-one cares and it makes no difference to your desperate desire to be some paternal overseer on all things related to Djokovic.

As I said earlier, the reason why I hadn't put what I did - and I haven't yet in any detail (nor have you - but I know you've got a background in sales by the way you approach every situation) - is I don't give two hoots what you think of me. For all I know you dress up as a ninja or wear Djokovic pyjamas to get your jollies. It. Means. Nothing. To. Me.... other than having a good laugh every time you espouse your musings on something which for a fact you cannot be certain about. The entire topic is merely people comparing their views, related examples and experiences to work out what is/maybe going on. The fact you are so completely sure of your position when it barely makes commercial sense, and despite the elementary level example you've used (re: lack of website mentions etc) which you've repeated ad nauseum in attempts to bolster your view is pretty hilarious. You literally wont concede a single point on the topic and yet think your own broad strokes analogies cannot be faulted.

I, and Jokinla, have posited many reasonable examples and anecdotes related to sponsorship - some of which will be wrong and some which will be right and others in-between, but you simply wont accept any of them.

I'd like to say this is the last I have to say in this thread, but it probably wont be.

Wow!
Jr, all this wasted.to make you feel better about yourself and not a single reasonable fact.
1) I mentioned not once but at least 5 times that this is PURELY my opinion and there are no facts on either side. Your egoistic, little brain translated this as I claim it as facts
2) you and your brother-poster kid gave absolutely no resonable examples, only usual (republican-like) crap - it is there because I say so..
3) Murray????? Still did not give me a clear picture what hapened there to the world #4 just short few years ago???

Now, don't get too emotional about this stupid thread, kid. No need to bang on your keyboard early Saturday morning speculating what kind of pajamas I wear.
Life is much more than doing one thing for 20 years. You should experience some other things

[tistrapukcipeht]

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

Give it a rest drop-kick. Worked in agency while studying, worked for years, studied again while working in another agency.... just shy of 20. Close enough for most people I imagine.

You are such an unmitigated blow-hard on this topic it's beyond funny man - especially when you post pretty reasonably elsewhere on the forum. Typical of someone who is so cocksure of themselves always banging on about how experienced they are, how big the company they work for is, how bla bla bla. No-one cares and it makes no difference to your desperate desire to be some paternal overseer on all things related to Djokovic.

As I said earlier, the reason why I hadn't put what I did - and I haven't yet in any detail (nor have you - but I know you've got a background in sales by the way you approach every situation) - is I don't give two hoots what you think of me. For all I know you dress up as a ninja or wear Djokovic pyjamas to get your jollies. It. Means. Nothing. To. Me.... other than having a good laugh every time you espouse your musings on something which for a fact you cannot be certain about. The entire topic is merely people comparing their views, related examples and experiences to work out what is/maybe going on. The fact you are so completely sure of your position when it barely makes commercial sense, and despite the elementary level example you've used (re: lack of website mentions etc) which you've repeated ad nauseum in attempts to bolster your view is pretty hilarious. You literally wont concede a single point on the topic and yet think your own broad strokes analogies cannot be faulted.

I, and Jokinla, have posited many reasonable examples and anecdotes related to sponsorship - some of which will be wrong and some which will be right and others in-between, but you simply wont accept any of them.

I'd like to say this is the last I have to say in this thread, but it probably wont be.

lol, lol, lol.

Bobby Jr is one of my favorite posters here and very reasonable to all his opinions.

Bobby you're very patient with this guy, you're trying to make gold out of sand.

Everybody knows and is reasonable to think He gets sponsorship money from Adidas, He would not wear Adidas shoes for free!! specially considering how many problems with the shoes He has had this year, slipping frequently on clay courts {Madrid(yeah almost everybody did), RG} and many other places where He looked uncomfortable and irritated with his footing partly or all related to the shoes. Why would he wear those shoes for free?? Just to get them because He can't get shoes for free from some other company? Laughable at this point.

Anyway if he didn't understand by now it looks like he won't get it no matter what.

[jokinla]

Originally Posted by dr325i

Your little wannabe funny Comments make your arguments look so stupid, you have no idea. "wannabe doctor" - where did this come from, smart guy? I assume seeing "Dr" in my nick, which is my name initials lead your little brain to that conclusion, right?
I'd suggest you stay out of this discussion since you don't have what it takes to participate...
Btw, Djokovic dumped Adidas, not the other way around

Evidently I struck a nerve, . I have common sense, the ability to understand basic advertisement policy, and this is all I need to know that Adidas pays Djoker, simple really.

[jokinla]

Originally Posted by dr325i

wow., your proof is great, made me a believer now...
You have no idea what you're talking about...
Before cracking yourself up more, explain me the #4, much greater potential, much more marketable guy, Murray, a few years ago?! Why did they pass on him, then?

BTW, in trying to understand WTF you were trying to ask here, I understood that Adidas dumped Djoker.

[jokinla]

Originally Posted by Adidas_Anderson

First thing its wikipedia, Wikipedia is not god ( Students knows this lol...
Second check the list there is Paul-Henri Mathieu Sponsored by adidas.

Hope you get what i mean

The debate is over Djoker, and wiki specifies shoes only, so it's been updated since he stopped wearing the clothes, I highly doubt anyone cares what PHM is wearing, which is why he is still listed, if the discussion was over him wearing stuff for free, I'd believe it.