Money being no object

[kiteboard]

Bhb7 in mains, strung like this: 80 center two, then next two 70, then next two 60 and last ones at 50lbs, then ping them out so they all sound the same sonically. Poly star energy crosses, first two down from top: 75, then 3rd:60, then down until the strings start to get shorter: 57lbs, then as they shorten: 62-65-70. When nubs of bhb7 wear off and the great spin subsides, cut them out before breaking.

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

Originally Posted by Centerforward71

Ah!!! Sorry but don't know what you're answering ??

What I was saying is, you don't need to like gut/poly or any other setup just because it's preferred by other people. Play with what works for you.

[TimothyO]

Originally Posted by NLBwell

$80 for the racket or the strings?

No, no, no. The Pure Storm GT is now $80. It's the 2009 PJ which is like more than the 2011 version.

But VS/4G can get pricey too. The VS is around $42 and the 4G about $18. So, as this is a hybrid you get two frames done for $60 or $30 per frame plus labor. Labor around here is $10 to $20 per frame so it can be as much as $40 to $50 to get VS/4G installed in one frame.

On the other hand, 4G doesn't lose tension like other polys and remains very comfortable for a long time as a cross. Nor does it saw through mains as fast as shaped polys.

I found Pro Hurricane Tour has better spin and comfort but less control and higher tension loss. Otherwise it would be my other choice since its spin potential is huge with gut mains.

Based on how 4G has performed as a cross with gut mains I would agree with Parasailing on use in full bed. I can't see using it that way. Spin potential not nearly as good as other polys and comfort would be an issue for sure.

My favorite aspect of 4g is the amazing control it brings to a gut/poly hybrid, even in open patterns. And the tension loss is close to that of gut. Absolutley amazing.

[fuzz nation]

If $ is no object, why not stick with the low-tension poly beds you've done okay with and make more of an investment in your abilities... I know this is the string section, but you might be looking for your setup to perform beyond your capabilities - that can be frustrating! That gear of yours won't do a thing to the ball until you pick it up and swing it with decent technique, right?

Don't get me wrong - I'm on your side, but it sounds like you could be looking for a solution where the "right" setup will probably only deliver a subtle difference in performance or feel. If sticking with a bed of loose poly can get the "gear distraction" out of the way for you, it might be easier for you to go out and shred it on a regular basis. If the gut/poly hybrids felt like garbage, it's hard to believe you're going to find an option with better performance and feel than what's already worked for you so far.

[Centerforward71]

Originally Posted by fuzz nation

If $ is no object, why not stick with the low-tension poly beds you've done okay with and make more of an investment in your abilities... I know this is the string section, but you might be looking for your setup to perform beyond your capabilities - that can be frustrating! That gear of yours won't do a thing to the ball until you th youtpick it up and swing it with decent technique, right?

Don't get me wrong - I'm on your side, but it sounds like you could be looking for a solution where the "right" setup will probably only deliver a subtle difference in performance or feel. If sticking with a bed of loose poly can get the "gear distraction" out of the way for you, it might be easier for you to go out and shred it on a regular basis. If the gut/poly hybrids felt like garbage, it's hard to believe you're going to find an option with better performance and feel than what's already worked for you so far.

I don't disagree with you and, I am not federer nor close but That said i do have pretty damn good technique. I've played colleges tennis and now play 4.5-5.0 and the limiting factor in my play is more my age and my fitness than mynstroke quality I can't help my age 41, and my fitness fluctuates as I do have a life outside of tennis.

Also I do really like the low tension poly but I am always looking for something better for me and for those I string for. If I didn't have this attitude I would have never tried lowwww tension poly, specially since I was a high tension player 60+ even poly.

Your point being about string over analysis hurting game. I agree also but I don't do that and blame strings for lack of something but also i am looking for the best setup for my profile and will never stop researching.

One of the big reasons for this thread is my real disappointment with gut hybrids after not using gut in 10+ years and I feeli may be missing something that I am doing wrong not letting me get the gut performance I thought I would.

So I'm not sure if your reply is a slight on me thinking I can buy technique with strings or something else but either way why would I not look for better?

[kiteboard]

Best gut poly hybrid is vs team/blackcode.

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by Centerforward71

I don't disagree with you and, I am not federer nor close but That said i do have pretty damn good technique. I've played colleges tennis and now play 4.5-5.0 and the limiting factor in my play is more my age and my fitness than mynstroke quality I can't help my age 41, and my fitness fluctuates as I do have a life outside of tennis.

Also I do really like the low tension poly but I am always looking for something better for me and for those I string for. If I didn't have this attitude I would have never tried lowwww tension poly, specially since I was a high tension player 60+ even poly.

Your point being about string over analysis hurting game. I agree also but I don't do that and blame strings for lack of something but also i am looking for the best setup for my profile and will never stop researching.

One of the big reasons for this thread is my real disappointment with gut hybrids after not using gut in 10+ years and I feeli may be missing something that I am doing wrong not letting me get the gut performance I thought I would.

So I'm not sure if your reply is a slight on me thinking I can buy technique with strings or something else but either way why would I not look for better?

Because if you're already using Tour Bite 16L at 45lbs and are a 5.0 player, then the odds of you finding better spin from a string change are pretty much slim to none. The majority of pros are not using their stringbeds for the amount of spin they produce over other strings, but rather for the feel that they provide. It's something they're used to and is predictable for them. I mean, we have Djoker, Federer and Murray all playing gut/ALU hybrids, and then Rafa playing full RPM Blast, but even when he was using full Duralast, he was producing more spin than any of the top 3 (Fed's slice aside). Duralast is a terrible string, but it's what he was used to and he didn't need anything fancy to win with spin. Even now, Rafa's arsenal has not opened up due to RPM being his string of choice. For us mortals who don't have the gift of extreme RHS, the changing of strings will yield even less difference because we can get even less out of poly.

[tlm]

I was once able to purchase some sets of pacific tough gut uncoated. If I could find that string and use it fresh in the low 60's every time out that would be unmatchable. It also played tremendous with a poly cross, but if money was no object I would use a full job.

The tough gut is a great string anyway but if you ever get a chance to use it in the uncoated version you would see what I mean. There is nothing out there that is even close.

[TimothyO]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

Because if you're already using Tour Bite 16L at 45lbs and are a 5.0 player, then the odds of you finding better spin from a string change are pretty much slim to none. The majority of pros are not using their stringbeds for the amount of spin they produce over other strings, but rather for the feel that they provide. It's something they're used to and is predictable for them. I mean, we have Djoker, Federer and Murray all playing gut/ALU hybrids, and then Rafa playing full RPM Blast, but even when he was using full Duralast, he was producing more spin than any of the top 3 (Fed's slice aside). Duralast is a terrible string, but it's what he was used to and he didn't need anything fancy to win with spin. Even now, Rafa's arsenal has not opened up due to RPM being his string of choice. For us mortals who don't have the gift of extreme RHS, the changing of strings will yield even less difference because we can get even less out of poly.

Being a mere mortal I find every last bit of help counts since I CAN'T generate as much RHS as a pro. And trying to make clean contact with the ball while timing such a shot is especially hard for mere mortals.

I've tried full poly and lots of various hybrids. None have compared to gut/poly in ease of spin generation. I can generate lots of spin with high string-to-string friction stringbeds such as full gut. It's just not as easy as with gut/poly.

Gut/poly is also more comfortable than full poly. The downside is cost, especially for string breakers.

[kiteboard]

To say that the spin strings don't produced noticeably more spin given the same stroke is not true for my game. I notice huge rpm differences between bhb7 and alu. Match play is all about feel, but it's also all about spin.
I've used duralast. A durable harsh string, that felt "slippery". When Nadal switched, he clobbered people 2 and 1 like Fed on clay. He got way more rpms, even though it lasts for about 1/2hr., so do all the spin/nubbed strings, then the nubs wear off, but who cares if money is no object?

[Seth]

Klipper Tournament Nylon around 65 oughta do 'er.

[Centerforward71]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

Because if you're already using Tour Bite 16L at 45lbs and are a 5.0 player, then the odds of you finding better spin from a string change are pretty much slim to none. The majority of pros are not using their stringbeds for the amount of spin they produce over other strings, but rather for the feel that they provide. It's something they're used to and is predictable for them. I mean, we have Djoker, Federer and Murray all playing gut/ALU hybrids, and then Rafa playing full RPM Blast, but even when he was using full Duralast, he was producing more spin than any of the top 3 (Fed's slice aside). Duralast is a terrible string, but it's what he was used to and he didn't need anything fancy to win with spin. Even now, Rafa's arsenal has not opened up due to RPM being his string of choice. For us mortals who don't have the gift of extreme RHS, the changing of strings will yield even less difference because we can get even less out of poly.

If you read my first post I am not saying more spin I am saying top spin +\- AND let me tell you that a littleeeee more spin for me is a BIG deal. Now more spin losing all else is not what I'm looking for either I realize there is no perfect probably but I have characteristics that I want to maximize and some trade offs I won't take. The real root of this thread is my disappointment in finding those things in gut/poly hybrids. I did not use VS but did use pacific TG and performaxx and Mamba. Did not find one setup of about six to perform anywhere close to the low genesis twisted razor. The one thingbthatbthe low poly let's me down with at times is the tight touch placement shots which is hurting me against players on clay because my power is neutralized by surface. I played a 5.0 guy an hard court and won 3,4 and then lost on clay 2,3. He seemed to get one more shot back that would be winners on hard and I at times would be inpatient I thought that i would find that last part with the gut. I am considering two totally different setups for clay and hard courts. I have actually done this in the past. It's funny but so far my best performers are poly in mid 30s and poly or poly/syn gut 60+ most everything in between just not doing it for me. I have not tried gut at 60+ full bed I may do that next.

Again this is a quest which will never end although I do settle in on setups for match play.

[Centerforward71]

Originally Posted by kiteboard

Best gut poly hybrid is vs team/blackcode.

How bout VS team and say SPPP ? And what tension are you referring to ?

[Centerforward71]

Originally Posted by TimothyO

Being a mere mortal I find every last bit of help counts since I CAN'T generate as much RHS as a pro. And trying to make clean contact with the ball while timing such a shot is especially hard for mere mortals.

I've tried full poly and lots of various hybrids. None have compared to gut/poly in ease of spin generation. I can generate lots of spin with high string-to-string friction stringbeds such as full gut. It's just not as easy as with gut/poly.

Gut/poly is also more comfortable than full poly. The downside is cost, especially for string breakers.

Have you tried a poly at 35 ? If you haven't and you have decent strokes you should.

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

Originally Posted by Centerforward71

How bout VS team and say SPPP ? And what tension are you referring to ?

I've used SPPP on the crosses.

Let's just say if I have options, SPPP wouldn't be one.

[sansaephanh]

Money no object: hire Federer as a hitting partner for life and buy Zheng Jie away from her husband. Then buy P1 so I will never have to worry about my frames again. Then hire brad gilberts cause he's from oakland. Then I'd become the official sponsor of the US open and won't allow commercials unless it involves tennis and beautiful women. Then I'd speed up the hard courts so isner can win a slam.

Then I'd use bhsr17 cause I blew all my money on the above stated. Maybe tour bite, since I don't kill strings too fast anyways.

[wmilas]

Spin is a funny thing. When I became able to generate enough RHS I transitioned from a full multi setup to a gut/poly (pacific classic/msv co). Not satisfied I bought a stringing machine and tried what seemed like every poly out there in the main. I did not find anything better than gut/co for spin. I took the best poly and tried them in the cross with gut. The only thing better was lux ALU power rough. The problem was that it shredded the gut mains in under 2 hours.

So for me gut/co for 8-12 hours before the gut goes. If you have deep pockets gut/ALU is slightly better.

What is funny is that I developed a minor case of tennis elbow. Before things got out of control I switched to a gut/multi setup. So the funny thing is I now find myself generating almost as much spin. Its not quite as much but I am quite frankly shocked.

This leads me to conclude that even though strings are important, and the end of the day form matters the most.

[JT_2eighty]

Polystar Turbo.

It goes dead in about 4-6 hours, sometimes less.

When absolutely fresh, it is the best spin you will find. String it normal to high tension range, it is powerful and the tension loss requires a higher starting point. You could try it at 38 also, I've never gone so low with Polystar. Tried it at 50, too springy for me.

I would have 2-3 racquets strung per match if money were no object, and use it for one set per racquet. ALU is great and all, but the feel you get with Polystar is sweet.

[Fuji]

Fresh ALU Rough is king IMO. Amazing spin/control with more then enough pop for higher swing speeds.

Plus it only lasts like 4-5 hours tops so it's right in your range.

-Fuji

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by Centerforward71

If you read my first post I am not saying more spin I am saying top spin +\- AND let me tell you that a littleeeee more spin for me is a BIG deal. Now more spin losing all else is not what I'm looking for either I realize there is no perfect probably but I have characteristics that I want to maximize and some trade offs I won't take. The real root of this thread is my disappointment in finding those things in gut/poly hybrids. I did not use VS but did use pacific TG and performaxx and Mamba. Did not find one setup of about six to perform anywhere close to the low genesis twisted razor. The one thingbthatbthe low poly let's me down with at times is the tight touch placement shots which is hurting me against players on clay because my power is neutralized by surface. I played a 5.0 guy an hard court and won 3,4 and then lost on clay 2,3. He seemed to get one more shot back that would be winners on hard and I at times would be inpatient I thought that i would find that last part with the gut. I am considering two totally different setups for clay and hard courts. I have actually done this in the past. It's funny but so far my best performers are poly in mid 30s and poly or poly/syn gut 60+ most everything in between just not doing it for me. I have not tried gut at 60+ full bed I may do that next.

Again this is a quest which will never end although I do settle in on setups for match play.

Then truth be told, this thread is absolutely pointless, with all due respect. I promise you that you will not find measureable increases in spin beyond full Tour Bite. Maybe a few RPMs here or there on certain shots depending on tensions chosen, but what you're asking for does not exist. Tour Bite provides a simply preposterously heavy ball. One of my main hitting partners switched to one of his sticks strung with TB without me noticing. I realized after the first ball that the string was not the same. The ball was coming in faster, and kicking off the court which caused me to have to readjust to his shots. Not many strings can have such an effect when compared to the full poly he'd been using before. Now, to be fair, the TB stick was lighter so he was getting greater RHS, but only TB, Tourna BHBR and gut/Co Focus have caused opponents to tell me personally that my ball was hard to handle. Of the three, TB is the heaviest, gut/poly gives you the most overall spin, and BHBR is an in between.