Greatest Grass Court Player of All Time.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by TMF

But each time you visit this board, you can't avoid all the Nadal/Sampras supporters and the anti-fed fans posts, there's too many negativity/denigration toward Federer. Even to criticize his h2h(which serve no purpose to any discussion) against Nadal comes up everyday, every night.

There is much more dismissiveness and negavity towards Sampras and Nadal then there is ever will be towards Federer and you know that full well, whether you will admit it or not. Any of the negavity you refer to is a rebuttal opposing that if anything.

[90's Clay]

Negativity and Denigration from Fed on this board? ROFLMAO. Stop please.

Sampras still with 9 or 10 votes on the USO thread (despite the same number of titles as Fed and MORE slam finals appearances). No one is more denigrated then Sampras is around here. ****s on here treat Sampras like he was a 2 time slam winner and ran the ferris wheel at the country fair

Its a Federer lovefest around here and has been for years.

Heck, if I didn't know anything about tennis or federer and happened to stumble across this message board I would have thought he cured Cancer or Polio

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Negativity and Denigration from Fed on this board? ROFLMAO. Stop please.

Sampras still with 9 or 10 votes on the USO thread (despite the same number of titles as Fed and MORE slam finals appearances). No one is more denigrated then Sampras is around here. ****s on here treat Sampras like he was a 2 time slam winner and ran the ferris wheel at the country fair

Its a Federer lovefest around here and has been for years.

Exactly. The only player as hated as Sampras on this board at times are Nadal and Serena.

BTW I notice you have a Bruguera avatar. Are you a fan of his. I was when he played. I think he was a bit of an underachiever too. He could have been a better player off of clay had he had a better attitude towards it, and he could have won even more than 2 French Opens without his injury problems after 94.

[90's Clay]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Exactly. The only player as hated as Sampras on this board at times are Nadal and Serena.

BTW I notice you have a Bruguera avatar. Are you a fan of his. I was when he played. I think he was a bit of an underachiever too. He could have been a better player off of clay had he had a better attitude towards it, and he could have won even more than 2 French Opens without his injury problems after 94.

I agree. Yea love me some Bruguera.( Another guy of course who Fed would "destroy" on clay) I always felt Sergi should have managed another 2 French titles anyways. The amount of RPM's he could generate on the ball considering the racket technology at the time was pretty ridiculous

I try to go back on youtube once a month and catch Bruguera in '93 at the french. He was awesome that year. Took out Pete, Medvedev and Courier

[TMF]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

There is much more dismissiveness and negavity towards Sampras and Nadal then there is ever will be towards Federer and you know that full well, whether you will admit it or not. Any of the negavity you refer to is a rebuttal opposing that if anything.

90s Clay
helloword
6-1, 6-3, 6-0
NSK
RAFA2005
The Dark Knight
TheNatural
Cesc

These are very anti-fed and that's just off the top of my head.



Federer fans like tennis_pro, zagor, Towser, Sentinel are very fair posters.

[forzamilan90]

Roger Federer is the greatest grass court player of all time, great winning % on the surface too

[TMF]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Negativity and Denigration from Fed on this board? ROFLMAO. Stop please.

Sampras still with 9 or 10 votes on the USO thread (despite the same number of titles as Fed and MORE slam finals appearances). No one is more denigrated then Sampras is around here. ****s on here treat Sampras like he was a 2 time slam winner and ran the ferris wheel at the country fair

Its a Federer lovefest around here and has been for years.

Heck, if I didn't know anything about tennis or federer and happened to stumble across this message board I would have thought he cured Cancer or Polio

What you're saying is having less number of votes automatically means denigration. That's just speculating.

Jerry Rice had overwhelmingly first place vote on all time greatest receiver. Anyone who follow NFL will know it's not about denigration towards other players, but simply believe he's the best.

[90's Clay]

Originally Posted by TMF

What you're saying is having less number of votes automatically means denigration. That's just speculating.

Jerry Rice had overwhelmingly first place vote on all time greatest receiver. Anyone who follow NFL will know it's not about denigration towards other players, but simply believe he's the best.

Rice has greater dibs at being the GOAT receiver as Fed does being the "GOAT" tennis player.

Federer is far from some "hands down GOAT" to ever step on a tennis court. There in lies the problem. Hes spoke of as the greatest thing to ever step on a court despite a few flaws

1. There are some guys with some arguable better resumes then Fed (Pancho, Laver, Rosewall to name a few who weren't systematically destroyed by another guy as much as Fed was by his main rival Nadal)

2. Issues with Nadal exploiting Fed since the beginning of his career which has been a huge knock on Fed's career


Fed is one of the all time greats.. But to cast him as the hands down greatest ever is another story. Laver had more longevity and greater success then Roger (despite not having as many cracks at the slams then Roger. Pancho (Same story). Rosewall if you factor in the pro slams he has a 22-23 slam count

[NatF]

Federer has beaten Nadal 10 times and leads the head to head on everything but Nadal's best and Federer's worst surface clay. Issue's with a single player aren't the nail in the coffin you Fedhaters make it out to be. Besides that in 2 of the last 3 matches with Nadal Federer has beaten him pretty badly.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by TMF

90s Clay
helloword
6-1, 6-3, 6-0
NSK
RAFA2005
The Dark Knight
TheNatural
Cesc

These are very anti-fed and that's just off the top of my head.



Federer fans like tennis_pro, zagor, Towser, Sentinel are very fair posters.

LOL you were only able to name 4 relatively fair Federer fans. What a surprise. What about Federer fans (aka ****s) such as abmk, Prisoner of Birth, Bobby Jr, McEnroeisanartist, Smasher08, aphex, FakeDjokovicFanWin, DropShotArtist, Tennis_Hands, Biscuitmcgriddleson, MTF07, krosero, Cup8489, monfed, cc0509, mandy01, tenniselbow01, just for starters.

Your anti Fed list isnt very long either.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Rice has greater dibs at being the GOAT receiver as Fed does being the "GOAT" tennis player.

Federer is far from some "hands down GOAT" to ever step on a tennis court. There in lies the problem. Hes spoke of as the greatest thing to ever step on a court despite a few flaws

1. There are some guys with some arguable better resumes then Fed (Pancho, Laver, Rosewall to name a few who weren't systematically destroyed by another guy as much as Fed was by his main rival Nadal)

2. Issues with Nadal exploiting Fed since the beginning of his career which has been a huge knock on Fed's career


Fed is one of the all time greats.. But to cast him as the hands down greatest ever is another story. Laver had more longevity and greater success then Roger (despite not having as many cracks at the slams then Roger. Pancho (Same story). Rosewall if you factor in the pro slams he has a 22-23 slam count

Federer is arguably the GOAT. I have no problem with someone saying that are saying that in their opinion he is the GOAT. However as you said he is definitely not the undisputed GOAT. An undisputed GOAT of a sport is someone like Michael Phelps whose career, stats, and dominance trump all others from every possible measuring point, which is in no way true of Federer. ****s seems to have deluded themselves that he is the Michael Phelps of tennis which clearly he is not.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

I agree. Yea love me some Bruguera.( Another guy of course who Fed would "destroy" on clay) I always felt Sergi should have managed another 2 French titles anyways. The amount of RPM's he could generate on the ball considering the racket technology at the time was pretty ridiculous

I try to go back on youtube once a month and catch Bruguera in '93 at the french. He was awesome that year. Took out Pete, Medvedev and Courier

Nobody expected him to win either of the French Opens he won. In 1993 Courier was the heavy favorite all along, and just before the final. In 1994 he had a dissapointing clay season heading into Roland Garros, and Bruguera was the new big thing on clay. He played incredible tennis both years to win.

He played really well in 1997 too, too bad he got nervous for the final, but he was playing another clay great to be Kuerten who played incredible that day also. I remember being excited in 1997 when he beat Sampras at Miami (on hard courts) and made the final, and then made that French Open final run, it seemed like he was really on his way back, but that would be his last hurrah of sorts.

Injuries definitely wrecked his career from 96 onwards especialy.

[Talker]

Fed has the H2H lead on grass against everyone.

I'll try to find Fed's winning percentages on grass so we can compare with candidates from other ERA's.

That should be a huge indicator.

Edit:
Found this site with winning percentages however it doesn't include older records which are needed.
I also haven't checked the sites accuracy.

http://www.tennis28.com/slams/winpct_onesurface.html

[RF20Lennon]

Federer has more grass titles than Sampras despite having the same number of tournys. Advantage Fed.

[Tennis_Hands]

Originally Posted by TMF

90s Clay
helloword
6-1, 6-3, 6-0
NSK
RAFA2005
The Dark Knight
TheNatural
Cesc

These are very anti-fed and that's just off the top of my head.



Federer fans like tennis_pro, zagor, Towser, Sentinel are very fair posters.

You forgot to add NadalAgassi and Mustard.

[President]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Negativity and Denigration from Fed on this board? ROFLMAO. Stop please.

Sampras still with 9 or 10 votes on the USO thread (despite the same number of titles as Fed and MORE slam finals appearances). No one is more denigrated then Sampras is around here. ****s on here treat Sampras like he was a 2 time slam winner and ran the ferris wheel at the country fair

Its a Federer lovefest around here and has been for years.

Heck, if I didn't know anything about tennis or federer and happened to stumble across this message board I would have thought he cured Cancer or Polio

You would think someone like you, a fan of 90's attacking tennis who laments the homogenized defensive conditions of today, would be a fan of Federer since he's basically the only top attacking player left. Instead you denigrate him at every opportunity. You'll see that when Federer retires, tennis will be much worse off.

[TMF]

Originally Posted by Tennis_Hands

You forgot to add NadalAgassi and Mustard.

A few names was off the top of my head. Just scrolling through list of members from a few threads:

90s Clay
helloword
6-1, 6-3, 6-0
NSK
RAFA2005
The Dark Knight
TheNatural
Cesc
veroniquem
DRII
Cassius Clay
kiki
Limpinhitter
YouCantBeSerious
LOLville
Bud
tlm
lendlMac
sureshs
beHappy
thundervolley
blocker
BrooklynNY
Tammo

The members are from Sampras/Nadal/Laver/Nole fans. I'm sure the list of names is very long if we put in more effort.

[MTF07]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Federer is arguably the GOAT. I have no problem with someone saying that are saying that in their opinion he is the GOAT. However as you said he is definitely not the undisputed GOAT. An undisputed GOAT of a sport is someone like Michael Phelps whose career, stats, and dominance trump all others from every possible measuring point, which is in no way true of Federer. ****s seems to have deluded themselves that he is the Michael Phelps of tennis which clearly he is not.

Federer's career stats dominate the tennis record books.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._Roger_Federer

To act like Federer doesn't dominate the tennis record books is laughable. What major record doesn't he currently hold?

[90's Clay]

Originally Posted by MTF07

Federer's career stats dominate the tennis record books.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._Roger_Federer

To act like Federer doesn't dominate the tennis record books is laughable. What major record doesn't he currently hold?

No Calendar slams.. Laver with 2

Not even close to Laver's 200 tournament wins. Not even half way there.

[NadalAgassi]

Originally Posted by MTF07

What major record doesn't he currently hold?

most Australian Opens
most U.S Opens
most French Opens (not even top 20 in that probably as probably atleast that many have more than 1 French Open)
most years as the #1 player (people say Sampras has the most, but in reality the most would be Gonzales or Laver, there was just no computer rankings then, either way it isnt Federer)
best year W-L record
longest winning streak
A single Calendar or Non Calendar Grand Slam
most tournament wins
most tournament wins in a year
No Davis Cup title

Quite a large number actually. Then even ones he holds he often shares (eg- most Wimbledons, most Masters), and others he basically only holds due to the format of the game as we know it only starting up 40 years ago (eg- most slams, Gonzales and Rosewall would both have many more had it been Open tennis then like today). As I said he is far from the Michael Phelps of tennis. Now if it were Phelps you were talking about you probably couldnt think of a single one.