Money being no object

[sansaephanh]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

Then truth be told, this thread is absolutely pointless, with all due respect. I promise you that you will not find measureable increases in spin beyond full Tour Bite. Maybe a few RPMs here or there on certain shots depending on tensions chosen, but what you're asking for does not exist. Tour Bite provides a simply preposterously heavy ball. One of my main hitting partners switched to one of his sticks strung with TB without me noticing. I realized after the first ball that the string was not the same. The ball was coming in faster, and kicking off the court which caused me to have to readjust to his shots. Not many strings can have such an effect when compared to the full poly he'd been using before. Now, to be fair, the TB stick was lighter so he was getting greater RHS, but only TB, Tourna BHBR and gut/Co Focus have caused opponents to tell me personally that my ball was hard to handle. Of the three, TB is the heaviest, gut/poly gives you the most overall spin, and BHBR is an in between.

+1. Tour bite is a monster. I don't know how or why it is, but it beats out most textured strings in controlled spin. I'd use it if i wasn't afraid of the price.

[Centerforward71]

Originally Posted by sansaephanh

+1. Tour bite is a monster. I don't know how or why it is, but it beats out most textured strings in controlled spin. I'd use it if i wasn't afraid of the price.

Genesis twisted razor just as good if not one up. I have two sticks with each. Both awesome but genesis just a tad morE spin at 38 than TB at 38 but not by much. PV your wrong it does exist I'm tweaking to find it and in a couple of days I am gonna report a new finding so stand by.....

[parasailing]

Originally Posted by kiteboard

Best gut poly hybrid is vs team/blackcode.

What makes blackcode such a good string says compared to Ltec 4S?

Originally Posted by tlm

I was once able to purchase some sets of pacific tough gut uncoated. If I could find that string and use it fresh in the low 60's every time out that would be unmatchable. It also played tremendous with a poly cross, but if money was no object I would use a full job.

The tough gut is a great string anyway but if you ever get a chance to use it in the uncoated version you would see what I mean. There is nothing out there that is even close.

The coating on tough gut made it feel stiff so is uncoated one softer and more elastic?

Originally Posted by TimothyO

Gut/poly is also more comfortable than full poly. The downside is cost, especially for string breakers.

If it makes you play better, it's already worth it.

Originally Posted by Centerforward71

How bout VS team and say SPPP ? And what tension are you referring to ?

VS Team and SPPP is decent but for me not as good as VS Team/Ltec 4S. SPPP is slightly underpowered as a cross but is one of the better cross strings to use due to good tension maintenance. Y

Originally Posted by wmilas

Spin is a funny thing. When I became able to generate enough RHS I transitioned from a full multi setup to a gut/poly (pacific classic/msv co). Not satisfied I bought a stringing machine and tried what seemed like every poly out there in the main. I did not find anything better than gut/co for spin. I took the best poly and tried them in the cross with gut. The only thing better was lux ALU power rough. The problem was that it shredded the gut mains in under 2 hours.

So for me gut/co for 8-12 hours before the gut goes. If you have deep pockets gut/ALU is slightly better.


This leads me to conclude that even though strings are important, and the end of the day form matters the most.

For me strings are just fun to experiment with and some play slightly better than others but sooner or later you will be able to adapt. I having been play with gut poly hybrids but due to weather recently switched over to a multi and though it doesn't have as much control, you learn to adjust to it.

I am still not understanding what the fuss is with Alu Power Rough. It does allow you to take a huge cut at the ball but it's such a stiff string and has such poor tension maintenance and doesn't feel good after a few hours.

[fortun8son]

Excellent points, parasailing.
Good to see you back.

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by Centerforward71

Genesis twisted razor just as good if not one up. I have two sticks with each. Both awesome but genesis just a tad morE spin at 38 than TB at 38 but not by much. PV your wrong it does exist I'm tweaking to find it and in a couple of days I am gonna report a new finding so stand by.....

My friend, I couldn't be more right. It's not a matter of black and white, it's a matter of being practical. Asking what string or setup is going to give you better spin than one in the 95th percentile doesn't make much sense. You personally may find more spin with something else, as I said, but as a whole, TB is in the top-tier spin string group. The string you're asking for does not exist, as if it were, everyone would be talking about it. From the lowliest hacker up to the pros, Tour Bite is known to do one thing better than just about anything else: spin. I did not say it is the best spin string for YOU, but I was fully prepared to say that you will spend years trying to find better and you will never be satisfied. Since you realized that your quest would never end, I can't possibly understand how you can say that I'm wrong.

[v-verb]

Originally Posted by Centerforward71

Genesis twisted razor just as good if not one up. I have two sticks with each. Both awesome but genesis just a tad morE spin at 38 than TB at 38 but not by much. PV your wrong it does exist I'm tweaking to find it and in a couple of days I am gonna report a new finding so stand by.....

Since this thread is starting to heat up, can you at least tell us what you are testing - even if your results are not ready?

[parasailing]

Originally Posted by fortun8son

Excellent points, parasailing.
Good to see you back.

I haven't been gone just nothing that needs my input given all the other quality posters here on TT .

I am waiting to try 4G when the weather gets better and that will be it until the next great string comes around the corner.

[kiteboard]

vs/bc feels different than vs/4s. Feel is very subjective, but somehow it feels like a clink rather than a thwock. Clink feels higher in frequency, and feels as if it has more control.

[Hannah19]

Originally Posted by Say Chi Sin Lo

How is it not relevant? I mean, it's really the only factor going into a purchase. If it's endorsed by the pros, it must be the greatest thing ever and one can expect similar results.

Yes, sure.....and Nadal is actually playing the 2013 Aero Drive.....
It's just marketing, guys.
They probably play something completely different than advertised.
Nadal is not playing the RPM Blast at all but the package says he does....go figure.

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

Originally Posted by Hannah19

Yes, sure.....and Nadal is actually playing the 2013 Aero Drive.....
It's just marketing, guys.
They probably play something completely different than advertised.
Nadal is not playing the RPM Blast at all but the package says he does....go figure.

I was being sarcastic, it's a shot at all the clowns who put all of their faith into equipment, and seek quick magical improvements.

[pvaudio]

First, he was 100% joking.

Second, yes, Nadal is playing RPM. Members here who are pro stringers have said many times that he's using RPM, but in a thicker gauge than is offered.

[Centerforward71]

Originally Posted by v-verb

Since this thread is starting to heat up, can you at least tell us what you are testing - even if your results are not ready?

Ok ok stop twisting. Messing around with Lower than normal tensions for gut and low tension poly hybrids. That's all ill say for now

[Centerforward71]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

My friend, I couldn't be more right. It's not a matter of black and white, it's a matter of being practical. Asking what string or setup is going to give you better spin than one in the 95th percentile doesn't make much sense. You personally may find more spin with something else, as I said, but as a whole, TB is in the top-tier spin string group. The string you're asking for does not exist, as if it were, everyone would be talking about it. From the lowliest hacker up to the pros, Tour Bite is known to do one thing better than just about anything else: spin. I did not say it is the best spin string for YOU, but I was fully prepared to say that you will spend years trying to find better and you will never be satisfied. Since you realized that your quest would never end, I can't possibly understand how you can say that I'm wrong.

PV PV your missing the point, I am lucky to have the luxury to be able to string for myself and others and the money to experiment with as many strings as I want to. Also to never be satisfied and always think there is something a littlleeee better is a great benefit not only to me but even for you and others whom i can share with. I do it for me and to benefit the other players I string for and by consequence the folks on here. I'm not looking for a magic bullet or to buy a better game but I am looking to enhance my knowledge and again in turn help others and myself making decisions for their equipment.

I don't know why it seems to you this is a wasteful exercise ?

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by Centerforward71

PV PV your missing the point, I am lucky to have the luxury to be able to string for myself and others and the money to experiment with as many strings as I want to. Also to never be satisfied and always think there is something a littlleeee better is a great benefit not only to me but even for you and others whom i can share with. I do it for me and to benefit the other players I string for and by consequence the folks on here. I'm not looking for a magic bullet or to buy a better game but I am looking to enhance my knowledge and again in turn help others and myself making decisions for their equipment.

I don't know why it seems to you this is a wasteful exercise ?

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=357999

175 pages, 3500 posts, and the one I settled on years and hundreds of dollars later is on page 1. That's why.

[Chotobaka]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

Then truth be told, this thread is absolutely pointless, with all due respect. I promise you that you will not find measureable increases in spin beyond full Tour Bite. Maybe a few RPMs here or there on certain shots depending on tensions chosen, but what you're asking for does not exist. Tour Bite provides a simply preposterously heavy ball. One of my main hitting partners switched to one of his sticks strung with TB without me noticing. I realized after the first ball that the string was not the same. The ball was coming in faster, and kicking off the court which caused me to have to readjust to his shots. Not many strings can have such an effect when compared to the full poly he'd been using before. Now, to be fair, the TB stick was lighter so he was getting greater RHS, but only TB, Tourna BHBR and gut/Co Focus have caused opponents to tell me personally that my ball was hard to handle. Of the three, TB is the heaviest, gut/poly gives you the most overall spin, and BHBR is an in between.

Aren't almost all of the threads in "Strings"?

[Centerforward71]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=357999

175 pages, 3500 posts, and the one I settled on years and hundreds of dollars later is on page 1. That's why.

LMFAO !!!!!

Sadly though I read a lot if it myself.

But I still say knowledge is power and this is the only true way to acquire it so I still feel that the exercise itself even if does not yield the results one was looking for one will still reap some benefit of knowledge. Some solace after your 3500 posts and reads

[Centerforward71]

Originally Posted by Chotobaka

Aren't almost all of the threads in "Strings"?

Your right so stop reading them

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by Centerforward71

LMFAO !!!!!

Sadly though I read a lot if it myself.

But I still say knowledge is power and this is the only true way to acquire it so I still feel that the exercise itself even if does not yield the results one was looking for one will still reap some benefit of knowledge. Some solace after your 3500 posts and reads

To each his own then, my good man