2012 NFL Season Discussion - Page 6

stringertom · 11-27-2012, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywood9826

Its pretty sad when the Phillies have won a game later than the eagles

LOL...even though they didn't get into postseason play!

hollywood9826 · 11-27-2012, 04:58 AM

Eagles last win.

Sept 30 against the giants even

Philles last win

Oct 1

Kinda sad

gavna · 11-27-2012, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywood9826

San Diego has the easiest move. And no Lease on the stadium to break. I think the team has paid off the early 2000 renovations and can leave with no penalty.

Jacksonville never made sense when the made it an NFL city and it doesnt make sense now.

Those are the only two in my book that make sense. But with so much cash to be made somebopdy will move and the sooner the better for all parties related to NFL.

Best and easiest move would be the Chargers BACK to L.A. Remember the Chargers were first the Los Angeles Chargers for the first few years of existence and fans in SAN (those that are left) could make the easy drive on Sundays up north.

Hard part is getting the L.A. Folks to really care and support the NFL full time with so many idiot owners.......Rams should never have left (NO WAY should the Rams be in St Louis nor the Colts in Indy - its still wrong) but a sucky greedy owner can cause a ton of damage -G Frontiere, Bud Adams, Irsay.....

jamesblakefan#1 · 11-27-2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gavna

Best and easiest move would be the Chargers BACK to L.A. Remember the Chargers were first the Los Angeles Chargers for the first few years of existence and fans in SAN (those that are left) could make the easy drive on Sundays up north.

Hard part is getting the L.A. Folks to really care and support the NFL full time with so many idiot owners.......Rams should never have left (NO WAY should the Rams be in St Louis nor the Colts in Indy - its still wrong) but a sucky greedy owner can cause a ton of damage -G Frontiere, Bud Adams, Irsay.....

LA as a sports town is overrated. Sure they'll support when you're good but they won't turn up if you're bad. Jags, Chargers, Vikes, Raiders have to be good to succeed in LA, can't just turn up and expect people to go through LA traffic to watch a bad team.

krz · 11-27-2012, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

LA as a sports town is overrated. Sure they'll support when you're good but they won't turn up if you're bad. Jags, Chargers, Vikes, Raiders have to be good to succeed in LA, can't just turn up and expect people to go through LA traffic to watch a bad team.

This.

LA is a horrible sports town, just like every city in Florida. My guess is because many of the residents don't have a real connection with the city since, they are mostly transplants.

LA has had a couple shots at NFL teams already, they don't need another.

Go Bills!

hollywood9826 · 11-27-2012, 07:42 AM

But the pure numbers of LA make it a perfect "modern" sportstown. Its about TV revenue now. they will sell out the games in a new stadium.

LA is too big of a media market to not have a team soon. The owners are basically losing money every week a team is not in LA.

jamesblakefan#1 · 11-27-2012, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywood9826

But the pure numbers of LA make it a perfect "modern" sportstown. Its about TV revenue now. they will sell out the games in a new stadium.

LA is too big of a media market to not have a team soon. The owners are basically losing money every week a team is not in LA.

For how long though? Even Goodell says NFL has to compete with people who'd rather stay home and watch on TV or at a sports bar than actually go to the game so that they can keep up with other games while watching their own, as well as their fantasy team and other stuff.

I just don't see LA as this magical city where everything succeeds. Lakers succeed because they win, but Dodgers, Clippers, all struggled to keep seats filled when they struggled.

How does NFL TV revenue work anyway? Doesn't the league have set contracts already regardless of whether a team's in LA or not? Honest question, not sure how a team in LA would work in the big picture of TV revenue.

hollywood9826 · 11-27-2012, 09:21 AM

Its all about future TV Deals. Mainly Diect TV expires in 2015, and the NFL will probably sell out the thursday package to the Networks as well. Those deals are more valuable with a team in LA as opposed to smaller markets.

Heres some basic headlines from 2011 when they reached the latest agreement.

ESPN and the NFL reached an eight-year extension to keep Monday Night Football on ESPN through the 2021 season. The Sports Business Journal reported the rights agreement (which included additional content rights) was worth $1.9 billion per year, a 63 percent increase over the average price of the current deal.

National Football League owners voted to approve $27.9 billion of TV deals with Fox, CBS and NBC on Wednesday, confirming pro football as the driving force in an industry facing fundamental change.

As expected, the networks will pay 63% more on average to air NFL games from 2014 to 2022. Fox will pay an average of about $1.1 billion for the National Football Conference package, which includes many of the league's biggest markets, say people familiar with the talks. CBS will pay about $1 billion a year over the life of the deal for the American Football Conference package, which will include a handful of NFC games. And NBC will pay $950 million a year for nine years for the Sunday night prime-time package.

Overall annual broadcast revenue for the NFL will jump from an annual average of $1.9 billion in the 2007-2013 period to nearly $3.1 billion for 2014-22. Including deals with ESPN and satellite broadcaster DirecTV, the NFL will collect about $6 billion a year in total TV revenue beginning in 2014, a figure that will likely increase the following year after the DirecTV deal expires.

They want a team in LA by 2015 so the can max out the Direct TV re-up.

Also the thrusday night package will be sold soon so expect NBC Sports, Turner, and the whole list of Networks to go crazy bdding for those games.

stringertom · 11-27-2012, 09:57 AM

Eight regular-season dates is a whole different scheme than 40, 41 and 81 dates...they will sell out due to the magnitude of an every-other-week event cycle, provided the stadium site is convenient for the high-rollers from the entertainment industry. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if Pasadena stays in the mix over an Irvington site that was proposed years ago.

jamesblakefan#1 · 11-27-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by stringertom

Eight regular-season dates is a whole different scheme than 40, 41 and 81 dates...they will sell out due to the magnitude of an every-other-week event cycle, provided the stadium site is convenient for the high-rollers from the entertainment industry. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if Pasadena stays in the mix over an Irvington site that was proposed years ago.

Teams right now aren't selling out every week - Cincy, TB, SD all had blackouts last week. I'm sorry if I'm a bit skeptical about the view of LA being an automatic w/ teh NFL.

stringertom · 11-27-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

Teams right now aren't selling out every week - Cincy, TB, SD all had blackouts last week. I'm sorry if I'm a bit skeptical about the view of LA being an automatic w/ teh NFL.

Music, film & TV moguls, agents and stars will flock to the stadium in a much more massive manner than they throng at the Staples Center for their chance to see and be seen courtside during Laker Time. TB, Cincy and SD just don't have that type of population segment to appeal to.

Back to the '12 season...Saints/Falcons on Thursday kicks off a Week 13 schedule with at least eight matchups with playoff impact. Colts @ Lions and Bucs @ Broncos are just a couple of Sunday games I'll key on...two young teams that need a vital win on the road.

jamesblakefan#1 · 11-27-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stringertom

Music, film & TV moguls, agents and stars will flock to the stadium in a much more massive manner than they throng at the Staples Center for their chance to see and be seen courtside during Laker Time. TB, Cincy and SD just don't have that type of population segment to appeal to.

Moguls have better things to do than go to football games. And they likely won't be season ticket holders, only one time a season goers. Regardless my original point still stands, stars won't 'flock' to any team that loses, like most of the candidates for relocation do.

stringertom · 11-27-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

Moguls have better things to do than go to football games. And they likely won't be season ticket holders, only one time a season goers. Regardless my original point still stands, stars won't 'flock' to any team that loses, like most of the candidates for relocation do.

Believe what you want...I guarantee every luxury box and most of any preferred club level seats they build and design for in a reconfigured Rose Bowl will sell out the first week to the Hollywood execs, talent agents, and record producers that grab Staples Center courtside seats. The diehard UCLA fanbase will be used to the venue location and buy in on season tickets...kinda like a 14-game home schedule. USC fans will also support in strong numbers.

LA supported TWO teams for a decade despite a decrepit facility in a lousy neighborhood. The Rams move to remote Anaheim messed them up and helped legitimize Georgia Frontiere's hijack to St Loo. The Raiders? Well Al Davis was just being Al Davis, a guy obsessed with butting head vs authority. Where the team played was just a miniplot in his melodrama. Fanbases tire of that attitude more than teams that lose too frequently.

As to the candidates to relocate, Minnesota is 6-5 today and only 2+ years removed from a SB contender, have a perennial All-Pro RB. They are as strong a team as any market can expect and have a lot of potential to improve (2nd-year QB). Purple and gold moved West from Minnesota once and it worked. History sometimes repeats itself.

stringertom · 11-30-2012, 05:56 AM

Brees sinful in Saints' loss and his streak is done @54 games with a TD pass. While not eliminated from the playoff derby, IMO you can stick a devil's pitchfork through their heavenly body!

hollywood9826 · 11-30-2012, 05:57 AM

I Agreee te Saints are done.

LeeD · 11-30-2012, 11:24 AM

Does Brees have some secret injury we don't know about?
He was Brees before the 49'ers second quarter, then suddenly started to make errant decisions and errant throws. He went from Brees to JeffGeorge during the 49'er's game.
And JeffGeorge stayed with NewOrleans throughout the Atlanta lost.
I'd bet on a slight concussion. Notice the timing patterns were way off. Notice the incredible amount of AlexSmith check off 3 yard passes.
We and NO KNOW that Atlanta and before, SF, was rushing the passer. Where did the timing patterns go?

DRII · 11-30-2012, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywood9826

Eagles last win.

Sept 30 against the giants even

Philles last win

Oct 1

Kinda sad

Vick has no freaking protection

He has the potential for GOAT level QBing, but he gets sacked every other play!

LeeD · 11-30-2012, 12:39 PM

Commentators always say, the key to a great QB is the effectiveness of the blocking OLine. With an OL, maybe DavidCarr and JaMarcusRussell would have been great QB's.

jamesblakefan#1 · 11-30-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LeeD

Commentators always say, the key to a great QB is the effectiveness of the blocking OLine. With an OL, maybe DavidCarr and JaMarcusRussell would have been great QB's.

Carr IDK, but you obviously didn't have the (mis)fortune of watching Russell in Oakland if you think O line was the reason he sucked.

LeeD · 11-30-2012, 01:06 PM

Well, I've lived in Berkeley since 1996. That's right next to Oakland.
I also lived in SanFrancisco from '49 thru '85, so am a 49'er fan.
The few images I have of JaMarcus was of him getting blindsided by a right side OLB. Then he'd throw the next 10 balls hard and inaccurately, like he was scared and big eyed. Like anyone would. OTOH, he looked around 290 lbs., immobile and slow, and not liking contact. He had no touch, to complete shorter passes or checkoff passes, slants, or buttonhooks. He didn't throw like he was throwing darts, he threw like he was always trying to throw a football as far as possible.....for him a reputed 100 yards with 3 steps.

11-27-2012, 04:58 AM	#102
hollywood9826 Semi-Pro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Havre de Grace, MD Posts: 492	Eagles last win. Sept 30 against the giants even Philles last win Oct 1 Kinda sad __________________ Touched by his Noodly Appendage

11-27-2012, 07:42 AM	#106
hollywood9826 Semi-Pro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Havre de Grace, MD Posts: 492	But the pure numbers of LA make it a perfect "modern" sportstown. Its about TV revenue now. they will sell out the games in a new stadium. LA is too big of a media market to not have a team soon. The owners are basically losing money every week a team is not in LA. __________________ Touched by his Noodly Appendage

11-27-2012, 09:21 AM	#108
hollywood9826 Semi-Pro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Havre de Grace, MD Posts: 492	Its all about future TV Deals. Mainly Diect TV expires in 2015, and the NFL will probably sell out the thursday package to the Networks as well. Those deals are more valuable with a team in LA as opposed to smaller markets. Heres some basic headlines from 2011 when they reached the latest agreement. ESPN and the NFL reached an eight-year extension to keep Monday Night Football on ESPN through the 2021 season. The Sports Business Journal reported the rights agreement (which included additional content rights) was worth $1.9 billion per year, a 63 percent increase over the average price of the current deal. National Football League owners voted to approve $27.9 billion of TV deals with Fox, CBS and NBC on Wednesday, confirming pro football as the driving force in an industry facing fundamental change. As expected, the networks will pay 63% more on average to air NFL games from 2014 to 2022. Fox will pay an average of about $1.1 billion for the National Football Conference package, which includes many of the league's biggest markets, say people familiar with the talks. CBS will pay about $1 billion a year over the life of the deal for the American Football Conference package, which will include a handful of NFC games. And NBC will pay $950 million a year for nine years for the Sunday night prime-time package. Overall annual broadcast revenue for the NFL will jump from an annual average of $1.9 billion in the 2007-2013 period to nearly $3.1 billion for 2014-22. Including deals with ESPN and satellite broadcaster DirecTV, the NFL will collect about $6 billion a year in total TV revenue beginning in 2014, a figure that will likely increase the following year after the DirecTV deal expires. They want a team in LA by 2015 so the can max out the Direct TV re-up. Also the thrusday night package will be sold soon so expect NBC Sports, Turner, and the whole list of Networks to go crazy bdding for those games. __________________ Touched by his Noodly Appendage

11-27-2012, 09:57 AM	#109
stringertom Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,951	Eight regular-season dates is a whole different scheme than 40, 41 and 81 dates...they will sell out due to the magnitude of an every-other-week event cycle, provided the stadium site is convenient for the high-rollers from the entertainment industry. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if Pasadena stays in the mix over an Irvington site that was proposed years ago. __________________ "I am easily satisfied by the very best." Sir Winston Churchill; ALLEZ ROGI!

11-30-2012, 05:56 AM	#114
stringertom Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,951	Brees sinful in Saints' loss and his streak is done @54 games with a TD pass. While not eliminated from the playoff derby, IMO you can stick a devil's pitchfork through their heavenly body! __________________ "I am easily satisfied by the very best." Sir Winston Churchill; ALLEZ ROGI!