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11-25-2012, 09:10 AM
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You have listed 55 players, could you put them in order for a definitive list of The Top 50 Men of the 70's? I bet this would start a lot of discussion...... |
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11-25-2012, 10:13 AM
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http://tennis-buzz.com/1971-us-open-...s-the-it-girl/“She turned head because she was a pretty, young thing, but she captivated everyone because of her gutsy play and icy determination.
Chris Evert was not the first teen prodigy, but in an era filled with veterans like Billie Jean King and Margaret Court, along with one-handed backhands, serve and volley tactics, and uncertainty about the viability of the women’s tour, Evert revolutionized the women’s game. On September 4, 1971, in her first Open at Forest Hills, this 16 years old perky blonde with a 12 tournaments, 44 match winning streak landed on the stadium court for her second round match against fourth seed Mary Ann Eisel. Her wins had largely been against lesser lights or on clay, which favored her relentless baseline game. But on grass against one of the surface’s top players, she was unable to simply grind down her opponent. And so, Evert, an amateur who had taken 2 weeks off from high school in Fort Lauderdale for this tournament, seemed headed for home. She lost a close first set 6-4 and trailed 6-5 in the second when Eisel stockpiled 3 match points. As television announcers Bud Collins and Jack Kramer gave her a warm ‘nice try kid’ sendoff, Evert suddenly showed Forest Hills and a national television audience that she had the makings of a champion. On Eisel’s first effort, Evert set the tone, whistling a big backhand service return down the line. Then on a second serve, Evert mashed a crosscourt forehand passing shot. Evert easily captured the tiebreaker then crushed her demoralized foe 6-1 in the third set. King who’d come over to watch the rookie, was impressed by how she handled the pressure, saying later: A star was born in my eyes that match " |
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11-27-2012, 02:10 PM
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1/Laver 2/Borg 3/Connors 4/Rosewall 5/Newcombe 6/Vilas 7/Nastase 8/Ashe 9/Smith 10/Kodes 11/Mc Enroe 12/Orantes 13/Gerulaitis 14/Panatta 15/Tanner 16/Gimeno 17/Roche 18/Okker 19/Solomon 20/Edmondson 21/Richey 22/Drysdale 23/Metrevali and Franulovic 25/Lutz 26/Pecci 27/Pilic 28/Gottfried 29/Ramirez 30/Taylor 31/Dibbs 32/Fibak 33/Gorman 34/Alexander 35/Riessen 36/Amritraj 37/Barzutti 38/Dent 39/Higueras 40/Dick Stockton 4/Gildemeister 42/Bob Hewitt 43/ Cox 44/Jauffret 45/Taroczy 46/LLoyd 47/Bertolucci 48/Teacher 49/Meiler 50/Fillol
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11-27-2012, 03:54 PM
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A few remarks. I could imagine Rosewall ahead of Connors for that period, but I can live with Ken's fourth place. But I would rank Tony Roche much higher than you did.Also Okker. Edmondson is much too high in your list. And Riessen is much too low ranked. Remember that Riessen often gave heavy problems to Laver (their hth is about even). |
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11-27-2012, 10:37 PM
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Rosewall, after second thought is 5 and Newcombe is 4
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11-28-2012, 07:12 AM
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[quote=kiki;7035770]No way Rosewall is ahead Connors for 68-79 and he and Newcombe are extremely close with John winning the big duels
Rosewall, after second thought is 5 and Newcombe is 4[/QUOTE kiki, You are right that Connors deserves a place ahead of Rosewall. I guess you have not realized the following: Rosewall:Newcombe is 14:9, in big events (GS and WCT) he leads 4:3. Rosewall reached a GS SF 13 times and Newcombe "only" 10 times. So I think Rosewall ahead of Newcombe was yet a good decision. What about my other remarks? Last edited by BobbyOne : 11-28-2012 at 07:40 AM. |
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11-28-2012, 10:30 AM
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Bobby one, I ranked off my hat because I did not contrast to full strertch the recirds, best ATP positions or H2H
So you could be right as far as Roche,Eddo,Okker and Riessen are concerned It is so close over 11 yrs slot of time that there is room for discussion, of course But Roche and Okker where top players although were unable to win a major title including Masters or WCT so bear that in mind As for Rosewall it is very close with Newcombe and your point fits well but Newcombe won their most famous martches and that is a slighr edge |
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11-28-2012, 10:38 AM
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Something to add to this great thread:
Johan Kriek's bh swing volley. It's definitely something I remember from that era. |
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11-28-2012, 10:45 AM
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Was it so floopy?
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11-28-2012, 03:22 PM
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Roche did not win an open major but the reason might be that in several finals he met Laver and Rosewall respectively who were awesome at that time. Maybe you should include Ross Case and Geoff Masters. |
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11-28-2012, 09:50 PM
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11-28-2012, 10:13 PM
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Case-Masters would be in top 20 doubles along 1-Newcombe-Roche 2-Hewitt-Mc Millan 3-Fleming- Mac ( fleetwood mac) 4-Lutz-Smith 5-Gottfried-Ramirez 6-Rosewall-Stolle 7-Okker-Riessen 8-Alexander- Dent 9-Case- Masters 10-Stewart-Mc Nair 11-Drisdale-Pilic 12-Connors-Nastase 13-Mayer bros 14- Edmondson-Marks 15-Ashe-Tanner 16-Fibak- Meiler 17-Gisbert-Orantes 18-Amaya-Pfister 19-Bertolucci-Panatta 20-Emerson-Laver What is your list?
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11-28-2012, 10:53 PM
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 i have no definite list, but i would vote for Gerulaitis/Sandy Mayer and Davidson/Newcombe. G/M won Wimbledon, D/N won the U.S. don´t see Edmondson/Marks. Eddos GrandSlam success came in the 80´s and not with Marks don´t see Ashe/Tanner either. Ashe won the French with Riessen, the australian with Roche and was a wimby runner-up with Ralston. But with Tanner?
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11-29-2012, 01:58 AM
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You are wasted, you should be writing for a top tennis magazine!! |
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11-29-2012, 10:11 AM
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[quote=BTURNER;7032096]http://tennis-buzz.com/1971-us-open-...s-the-it-girl/“She turned head because she was a pretty, young thing, but she captivated everyone because of her gutsy play and icy determination.
Chris Evert was not the first teen prodigy, but in an era filled with veterans like Billie Jean King and Margaret Court, along with one-handed backhands, serve and volley tactics, and uncertainty about the viability of the women’s tour, Evert revolutionized the women’s game. On September 4, 1971, in her first Open at Forest Hills, this 16 years old perky blonde with a 12 tournaments, 44 match winning streak landed on the stadium court for her second round match against fourth seed Mary Ann Eisel. Her wins had largely been against lesser lights or on clay, which favored her relentless baseline game. But on grass against one of the surface’s top players, she was unable to simply grind down her opponent. And so, Evert, an amateur who had taken 2 weeks off from high school in Fort Lauderdale for this tournament, seemed headed for home. She lost a close first set 6-4 and trailed 6-5 in the second when Eisel stockpiled 3 match points. As television announcers Bud Collins and Jack Kramer gave her a warm ‘nice try kid’ sendoff, Evert suddenly showed Forest Hills and a national television audience that she had the makings of a champion. On Eisel’s first effort, Evert set the tone, whistling a big backhand service return down the line. Then on a second serve, Evert mashed a crosscourt forehand passing shot. Evert easily captured the tiebreaker then crushed her demoralized foe 6-1 in the third set. King who’d come over to watch the rookie, was impressed by how she handled the pressure, saying later: A star was born in my eyes that match "[/QUOTE Before Martina became a factor and before Court retired we had a great quartet of ladies that may have been one of the all time best if not the ultimate best Court, the mighty athlete King, the schrewd and doggy tactician Evert, the never missing machine Goolagong, the fairy of tennis
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11-29-2012, 10:21 AM
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Ashe,Okker,Newcombe,Riessen,Fibak or Stewart were great with different mates Vitas could have been a great doubles player but played little doubs once he became a top player and that is why I deliberately left him out On clay only the Vilas-Borg team was excellent but since they became top rivals,they stopped what could have been a two star team much like Connors and Nastase, who won two majors even if none of them were really great doubs playwrs IMO
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11-29-2012, 10:35 AM
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It is nothing special anyway I really miss not being there in the 50's which were absolutely wonderful in tennis I usually say that only Rock and pop music were even better than tennis in the 70 and still the 80 Ledzep were as creative and all round as Laver and Rush were as sophisticated as Nastase!! Keep on posting and discuss a bit about these issues Oh I worked a few times for a tennis magazine, just for fun in the first half of the 80
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11-29-2012, 10:43 AM
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Case, the "poor men's Rosewall" beat Newcombe and Ashe in 1974, Masters defeated Rosewall in 1972. |
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11-29-2012, 10:50 AM
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And why do rank Emerson/Laver so low??? They were one of the three best doubles in the first years of open era, together with Newcombe/Roche and Rosewall/Stolle. |
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11-29-2012, 05:59 PM
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