Worst band ever: REM or Chili Peppers?

[Timbo's hopeless slice]

Originally Posted by Timbo's hopeless slice

Your original premise is so ludicrous as to be almost forgotten, but I note how you are happy to bow to Rolling Stone on The Beatles while conveniently ignoring the presence of both RHCP and REM on their list of all time greatest albums..

you left this part out, can't think why...

[tricky]

AC/DC and the Ramones are the classic "we make only one song, but that's a great, great song" bands. If you know what you are, why be something else?

Are you speaking English?

Reading comprehension not up to par?

[chrischris]

[quote=tricky;7028057]AC/DC and the Ramones are the classic "we make only one song, but that's a great, great song" bands. If you know what you are, why be something else?



Arent most bands that have a somewhat original sound and flavor?

Compared to the offerings on hand currently they are full of life imo.

[tricky]

Arent most bands that have a somewhat original sound and flavor?

That's true. A lot of bands develop a great sound and then spend the rest of the careers building and not turning it over. What a lot of critics view as "progression" is really the work of producers giving the product a new paintjob. And, sometimes, when somebody throws in a dubstep mix or hip hop cameo, they are not progressing, but diluting their sound. (Though I think what Muse did with Madness is just marvelous. It stands on its own as a love song.)

[Timbo's hopeless slice]

Originally Posted by tricky

That's true. A lot of bands develop a great sound and then spend the rest of the careers building and not turning it over. What a lot of critics view as "progression" is really the work of producers giving the product a new paintjob. And, sometimes, when somebody throws in a dubstep mix or hip hop cameo, they are not progressing, but diluting their sound. (Though I think what Muse did with Madness is just marvelous. It stands on its own as a love song.)

Feeling Good, too..

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by tricky

That's true. A lot of bands develop a great sound and then spend the rest of the careers building and not turning it over. What a lot of critics view as "progression" is really the work of producers giving the product a new paintjob. And, sometimes, when somebody throws in a dubstep mix or hip hop cameo, they are not progressing, but diluting their sound. (Though I think what Muse did with Madness is just marvelous. It stands on its own as a love song.)

Yep , thats right.

take a band like the Clash, they developed and used reggae and ska influences yet maintaineda core sound and crediblity in most peoples opinions.

[tricky]

Clash is a really good example, and it also emphasizes that bands rarely lay out all of their cards on their debut album. People gave the Clash a lot of crap for Give Em Enough Rope when that came out, but looking back, it showed that they were more facets to the band than "White Riot. " Perhaps they overreached with Sandinista and went too far away from their strengths. In any case, the NME model of overhyping first albums can be destructive for the growth of bands. Most bands need at least 3 albums before they know what they are.

[slice bh compliment]

Originally Posted by Timbo's hopeless slice

sigh these things always get into a beatles argument..
...

I sense a theme here. LOL....Federer agrees, but Rafa does not. Novak prefers Maroon 5. Murray, like most Scots, likes ac/dc.

Originally Posted by Dedans Penthouse

....Jon Bon Guido.... ...

Is that the guy from Bon Jersey? Good call.

heycal, you sparked a fun discussion. Thanks. But, man, the whole concept of saying something is overrated is...hahaa, overrated.

Underrated? Well, plenty of great musicians and excellent bands on that list.
The concept of 'overrated' takes into account the machine, the suits, the business of music and the feeble minded. Oh, and fake/manipulated download numbers.

So if you believe they put a man on the moon...
kidding. I really liked Chronic Town, Document, Murmur, Fables, Dead Letter Office, Green ... and that's about it. REM went on to breathe life into a lot of crap bands. For that, I agree with the OP in some ways.

Oh, and remember when RHCP came out with that Stevie Wonder cover, Higher Ground, and Fight Like A Brave? I liked the tunes, and figured they'd be good live, but I think we all saw something remarkably cheesy about them. It was clear: this band would torment us for decades.

Funky bass and hooky melodies aside, they are indeed overrated. I did like Raindance Maggie for whatever reason.

This thread, to me, is a thumbs down for the music industry, and a call to explore real music that is not what the man is telling us to download.

[borg number one]

I like a lot of music from REM, like "Feeling Gravity's Pull", "Old Man Kensey" and "Perfect Circle". I'm not a big fan of the Red Hot Chili Peppers but they had some decent tunes in the 80's-90's in my opinion. For this thread, I'd like to nominate Milly Vanilli, Marilyn Manson and Insane Clown Posse!

[Power Player]

Timbo, best guitar player to a listener is not the same as it is to a guitar player. Eric Johnson is awesome if you like guitar and not songs. I have played guitar for most of my life. Went through that phase where I just focused on technical ability. But I much more appreciate a player who thinks of tones and riffs that are unique and creative. Not that cliffs of Dover is not awesome. But I can think of far less technical players i much prefer due to their creativity and how they augmented a band.

Like tricky said. Nirvana made everyone think they could do it. And many many bands have tried to copy that simple dynamic of quiet to loud since. But no one has ever really pulled it off as well.

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by tricky

Clash is a really good example, and it also emphasizes that bands rarely lay out all of their cards on their debut album. People gave the Clash a lot of crap for Give Em Enough Rope when that came out, but looking back, it showed that they were more facets to the band than "White Riot. " Perhaps they overreached with Sandinista and went too far away from their strengths. In any case, the NME model of overhyping first albums can be destructive for the growth of bands. Most bands need at least 3 albums before they know what they are.

Ok, yes i think hte bands of today are beholden in a different way. Their lables and the bottomlines are less interested in allowing things and sounds to find their way over time. The revenue and results in shortterm gain is hampering the process of creativity.
That said , in no way do i endorse the opposite , namely eternal fiddling around and no output / nothing to show for.

The US in the 70s had a better level in its blend for music and artists in general many say.

[Power Player]

There is not enough money anymore for bands to get signed and then develop over 3 albums. The closest thing to it is Indie labels like fueled by ramen. They get bought out by Warner and develop their bands until they write a major release and then the full power of Atlantic records is thrown behind the band for promo. Good example of this is Paramore.

Also bands are much better now in terms of what is expected. Drummers have to be able to lock to a click live. Songs have to be developed a lot faster and the players have to be ultra tight. And this is expected at a very young age. Definitely a different time.

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by Power Player

There is not enough money anymore for bands to get signed and then develop over 3 albums. The closest thing to it is Indie labels like fueled by ramen. They get bought out by Warner and develop their bands until they write a major release and then the full power of Atlantic records is thrown behind the band for promo. Good example of this is Paramore.

Also bands are much better now in terms of what is expected. Drummers have to be able to lock to a click live. Songs have to be developed a lot faster and the players have to be ultra tight. And this is expected at a very young age. Definitely a different time.

Yes , reinforcing my point. The market demands are not in sync with the times and arent creating better music here, thats why we are stuck .

[chrischris]

Flea had time to play and develop.. here he is back in the day with his pals in the band 'What is This'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRX-Q...feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVfpwnZ8URM

[Power Player]

Development and preproduction are huge parts of music. I'd never disagree with this. New bands now can't live the life off advances and slowly develop. It is a new working class of musician that has to have a strong work ethic to succeed.

[Timbo's hopeless slice]

Originally Posted by Power Player

Timbo, best guitar player to a listener is not the same as it is to a guitar player. Eric Johnson is awesome if you like guitar and not songs. I have played guitar for most of my life. Went through that phase where I just focused on technical ability. But I much more appreciate a player who thinks of tones and riffs that are unique and creative. Not that cliffs of Dover is not awesome. But I can think of far less technical players i much prefer due to their creativity and how they augmented a band.

Like tricky said. Nirvana made everyone think they could do it. And many many bands have tried to copy that simple dynamic of quiet to loud since. But no one has ever really pulled it off as well.

ok, Mark Knopfler or Ry Cooder then.. Just not Keith Richards! Defnition of one trick pony right there..

[fps]

Laughable stuff. At a guess the OP is a frustrated amateur guitarist. Amazing this has continued for 12 pages.

[chrischris]

True... a little controversy to start a thread seems to do the job.

[heycal]

Originally Posted by fps

Laughable stuff. At a guess the OP is a frustrated amateur guitarist. Amazing this has continued for 12 pages.

Nope. The only instrument I can play is the skin flute. I'm looking at this strictly objectively and scientifically.

[Dedans Penthouse]

Originally Posted by heycal

Nope. The only instrument I can is the skin flute...

I see you don't like The Indigo Girls either.