Toni Nadal on Rage

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

I don't agree. It's much easier to adapt as a hardcourter to even more hardcourts,even if one is slightly slower than the other. Player's whose best surface is clay or grass have to adapt much more than a player whose best surface is hardcourt since the tour is something like 70% hardcourts. No matter how slow or fast they are,a hardcourter doesn't have to adapt nearly as much as a claycourter or grasscourter has to.

I would like to see less hardcourt masters,or at least don't make them all mandatory. And add a grass masters in there as well. The grasscourt season is merely a blip on the radar these days.

Exactly. And there should definitely be a grass masters.

[MichaelNadal]

I just want to see more grass and carpet brought back.

[Winners or Errors]

Honestly, if hardcourts were universally sped up, there would be less grinding and therefore less injury because of the speed of play. I personally think that's the solution instead of more clay. Of course, that'd make Uncle Toni whine even more...

[merlinpinpin]

Originally Posted by Razoredge

Nadal would absolutely murder everyone on clay in the 90s.

He probably wouldn't have, actually.

Despite the fact that he's one of the top two players ever on the surface (arguably the best one), Nadal has also been thriving against dismal clay competition, with *zero* top clay-court specialist around (him excepted). Put him alongside guys like Muster, Brugera, Courier (and to a lesser extent, Costa and Moya) and would he win seven RG's? Very probably not. Maybe he doesn't even tie Borg's record in these conditions.

Originally Posted by Razoredge

Pete Sampras would get his shyt teared apart worse than Federer did. 6-2 6-1 6-0.

Sampras on clay never was an issue, as he would never have gotten far enough to play Nadal anyway.

[merlinpinpin]

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

If clay wants more of the pie, should have their season split similarly - as I suggested. Putting them all in a row would achieve little positive - but would increase the incidence of Thomas Muster-style players who sneakily accumulated the vast majorty of their points on their favourite surface and then put stuff-all effort in elsewhere.

You are being extremely unfair to Muster here.

When his career began, although he started off on clay, he was more of a HC player, and it was only after he got his knee crushed in Key Biscayne that he had to play the majority of his matches on clay. Not because he wanted to, but because he couldn't last the distance on HC (I'll grant you he couldn't be bothered with old-style grass). He didn't really have any choice in the matter.

[tennisMVP]

Originally Posted by Golden

Quick question. Who is that in your avatar?

The most famous coach in the history of tennis - Richard Williams.

[zebedee]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

I think he was referring to players of a certain level. The whole quote (he seemed to barely remember about Puerta's case):

Federer and Murray called for more blood tests at the end of the year, for tennis to be clean. Are they really necessary?
I don't anything of anyone, those in charge can do what they think they should. I'm calm and since I know Rafael is completely clean, I don't think it possible for anyone to dope. I can't get it into my head that someone would intentionally cheat. If the ATP considers it'd be better for doping security to increase testing, they can do what they think is right. I say: I can't get it into my head that anyone would intentionally dope.

But there are demonstrated cases.
In tennis?

Mariano Puerta, for example.
Yes. Puerta could have hurt us and it's a case I think it’s perfect. If he really doped, well sanction, goodbye, forgotten him and forgotten the issue. Now, since that case I don't remember tennis players having doped among the people who more or less play on the tour at a good level because it seems to me everybody is clean. We have many tests every year and I mean everyone on the tour. It's difficult to dope.

During Puerta's time and before there was a whole nest of Argentines doping, all of whom could be considered as 'high level' players including Guillermo Canas who was caught with masking agent. I played there three years on the trot and I always remember a tournament doctor laughing at me when I asked about South American players doping. His attitude was that they all did, routinely, or certainly the Argentine ones. That was the impression he gave me. South America is a tennis backwater. Federer's never played there for example. The local players do what they want, more or less.

[joeri888]

What? He's always competing on FAST SURFACES? Are you kidding me? I get so angry of stuff like this. It'll ruin tennis, at least for me.

[kalyan4fedever]

clay is for pigs , hard courts 4 ???

[vernonbc]

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr

If clay wants more of the pie, should have their season split similarly - as I suggested. Putting them all in a row would achieve little positive - but would increase the incidence of Thomas Muster-style players who sneakily accumulated the vast majorty of their points on their favourite surface and then put stuff-all effort in elsewhere.

Why are players who excel on clay court, Muster or anyone else, disparaged? Many many players excel on hard courts and accumulate all their points there and barely bother with clay or grass tournaments but they're not maligned for being better on one surface than the other. All surfaces are (or should be) equally as important and in fact, clay should get even more respect as it's one of the older more traditional surfaces.

[Crisstti]

Yep Vernon, precisely. I think we know the reason for that also.

Originally Posted by zebedee

During Puerta's time and before there was a whole nest of Argentines doping, all of whom could be considered as 'high level' players including Guillermo Canas who was caught with masking agent. I played there three years on the trot and I always remember a tournament doctor laughing at me when I asked about South American players doping. His attitude was that they all did, routinely, or certainly the Argentine ones. That was the impression he gave me. South America is a tennis backwater. Federer's never played there for example. The local players do what they want, more or less.

Well, Toni said after.

Federer's never played there because there isn't even a masters there.

Originally Posted by merlinpinpin

He probably wouldn't have, actually.

Despite the fact that he's one of the top two players ever on the surface (arguably the best one), Nadal has also been thriving against dismal clay competition, with *zero* top clay-court specialist around (him excepted). Put him alongside guys like Muster, Brugera, Courier (and to a lesser extent, Costa and Moya) and would he win seven RG's? Very probably not. Maybe he doesn't even tie Borg's record in these conditions.

Lol, Rafa was beating Costa and Moya on clay when he was 15 years old. And in straight sets at that.

Originally Posted by Winners or Errors

Honestly, if hardcourts were universally sped up, there would be less grinding and therefore less injury because of the speed of play. I personally think that's the solution instead of more clay. Of course, that'd make Uncle Toni whine even more...

[loci]

The Nadals have to remember that the tour is a business model designed for exposure and the increase of revenue and investment bound by a legal framework that can't be changed on the whim for coaches. I'm going to cut to the chase. Does Toni Nadal have a financial stake in the ATP Tour outside of his nephew showing up at tournaments to collect appearance fees and paychecks? Does he invest his own capital into the Tour? I don't think so. Until he starts pouring all his resources into the coffers of the ATP, he should cut out the nonsense. He's not entitled to make policy for the tour. He's a coach working under the auspices of a player, for goodness sake, doesn't he realize that?

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by loci

The Nadals have to remember that the tour is a business model designed for exposure and the increase of revenue and investment bound by a legal framework that can't be changed on the whim for coaches. I'm going to cut to the chase. Does Toni Nadal have a financial stake in the ATP Tour outside of his nephew showing up at tournaments to collect appearance fees and paychecks? Does he invest his own capital into the Tour? I don't think so. Until he starts pouring all his resources into the coffers of the ATP, he should cut out the nonsense. He's not entitled to make policy for the tour. He's a coach working under the auspices of a player, for goodness sake, doesn't he realize that?

He's entitled to say what he thinks.

[edmondsm]

Originally Posted by Razoredge

Nadal would absolutely murder everyone on clay in the 90s.

Pete Sampras would get his shyt teared apart worse than Federer did. 6-2 6-1 6-0.

Not if Nadal had to use an old racquet with gut strings.

[nikdom]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

He's entitled to say what he thinks.

Most of what he says though is on par with suresh's mental level, which is to say, that of an immature teenager trapped in an adult body.

After all the success him and his pupil have had, I don't see a whole lot of respect or appreciation for the game that has given them so much.

It seems like the short-sighted, selfish thinking of the junior league has stayed with both of them. The gamesmanship on court that Nadal displays even today goes hand in hand with Toni's self serving talk. If anything, Rafa may have grown up a little more than his bush league uncle.

If you need any further proof that uncle Toni is the Spanish suresh, here is another statement from the news today

Talking about his rivals, Toni laughingly said: "I hope now Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic will get injured"

I mean what kind of grown up man talks like that? If indeed Rafa has gone through a tough injury, I would expect that someone with any maturity would say " I hope no one has to go through what my nephew did". Not the crap he spewed above, however laughingly.

http://www.tennisearth.com/news/tenn...red-478826.htm

[Razoredge]

Originally Posted by merlinpinpin

He probably wouldn't have, actually.

Despite the fact that he's one of the top two players ever on the surface (arguably the best one), Nadal has also been thriving against dismal clay competition, with *zero* top clay-court specialist around (him excepted). Put him alongside guys like Muster, Brugera, Courier (and to a lesser extent, Costa and Moya) and would he win seven RG's? Very probably not. Maybe he doesn't even tie Borg's record in these conditions.



Sampras on clay never was an issue, as he would never have gotten far enough to play Nadal anyway.

Oh. My. God.

THIS GUY WAS BEATING THE HELL OUT OF SEVERAL PEOPLE YOU MENTIONED AS A TEENAGER.

THIS GUY DEMOLISHED THE REST OF THE FIELD ON HIS WAY TO THE TITLE AT THE VERY FIRST FRENCH OPEN HE PLAYED AS A TEENAGER. HE DIDN'T LOSE ANOTHER UNTIL 4 YEAR LATERS AND THAT WAS JUST A FLUKE.

HE IS THE CLAY COURT KING AND HE WOULD MAKE EVERY OTHER CLAY COURT SPECIALIST IN HISTORY LOOK LIKE A GRASS COURT SPECIALIST

[edmondsm]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

Exactly. And there should definitely be a grass masters.

While I agree 100%, I just don't see it ever happening. In a money driven world tournament directors are never going to convert to a surface that is many times more expensive to maintain, and much more fragile. A lot of these big hardcourt venues are able to host other events like concerts and such. Any such event on a grass surface would completely ruin it.

[vive le beau jeu !]

Originally Posted by Razoredge

Oh. My. God.

THIS GUY WAS BEATING THE HELL OUT OF SEVERAL PEOPLE YOU MENTIONED AS A TEENAGER.

THIS GUY DEMOLISHED THE REST OF THE FIELD ON HIS WAY TO THE TITLE AT THE VERY FIRST FRENCH OPEN HE PLAYED AS A TEENAGER. HE DIDN'T LOSE ANOTHER UNTIL 4 YEAR LATERS AND THAT WAS JUST A FLUKE.

HE IS THE CLAY COURT KING AND HE WOULD MAKE EVERY OTHER CLAY COURT SPECIALIST IN HISTORY LOOK LIKE A GRASS COURT SPECIALIST

[BlueB]

Originally Posted by kalyan4fedever

clay is for pigs , hard courts 4 ???

Tennis, of course!

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by nikdom

Most of what he says though is on par with suresh's mental level, which is to say, that of an immature teenager trapped in an adult body.

No, it really isn't.

I mean what kind of grown up man talks like that? If indeed Rafa has gone through a tough injury, I would expect that someone with any maturity would say " I hope no one has to go through what my nephew did". Not the crap he spewed above, however laughingly.

http://www.tennisearth.com/news/tenn...red-478826.htm

I'd like to see the actual source for that.