Will Murray ever be in the 100 Greatest of All Time

[tennisaddict]

Originally Posted by Razoredge

Are you kidding? Murray is probably top 20 GOAT already in his career, dont' be an idiot.

You are a professional joker.

[jokinla]

Most likely yes, no surprise Fed tops the list, take that haters.

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by jokinla

Most likely yes, no surprise Fed tops the list, take that haters.

He's the elite.

[Goosehead]

murray has 8 masters titles, roddick only has 5 masters.

and murray has a gold medal from the olympics (destroying roger at wimbledon which roddick couldnt do).

and its been said murray has been in world top5 for 4.5yrs without a break.

[papertank]

He's definitely anead of Roddick, so I'd say he's there.

[jaggy]

In 5 years he will be the undisputed GOAT

[MonkeyBoy]

Originally Posted by BauerAlmeida

And Roddick beat Murray at Wimbledon when Murray was in his prime and Roddick was in decline, so??

Roddick wasn't in decline. He was 26 and playing at 200% in that tournament, coming within a hair's breadth of the winning the whole thing. A 19 Murray schooled a 23 year old Roddick in 2006.

Roddick reached #1, but in a weaker era, and didn't keep it that long. Living in Federer's shadow aside, Roddick always had a very inconsistent career. Since 72 only five players have reached more consecutive Grand Slam quarter finals than Murray, only three have reached more consecutive semis.

[Hood_Man]

How many tennis players have won at least 2 majors?

*lights up the Mustard signal, Danny Elfman music blares*

[timnz]

Using objective criteria of looking at slams won and slam finals reached, season end finals won and masters 1000 titles reached.weighting them all with current atp points...Djokovic ranks 10th in the open era (see other thread for this objective ranking system)....Andy Murray is way behind him....only 1 slam vs 5, no season end championships vs two, 8 masters 1000 vs 13. Murray is probably around 20 open era yet...

The top 12 open era are (according to objective weighted rankings of masters 1000 equvalents and higher)

federer, lendl, sampras, nadal, mcenroe, borg, connors, agassi, becker, djokovic, edberg, wilander.

[firepanda]

I'd say he is already in the Top 10 greatest of all time.

[abmk]

Let's see:

chang is 100th, right ?

@ USO, murray : 1 W, 1 F, 1 SF, chang = 1 F, 2 SF, so murray >> chang @ the USO

@ AO , murray : 2 F, 1 SF, chang = 1 F, 2 SF, so murray > chang @ the AO

@ wimbledon, murray : 1 F, 3 SF, chang = 0 SF, so murray >>>> chang @ wimbledon

@ FO : murray : 1 SF, chang = 1W, 1 F, so chang >>>> murray @ the FO

@ the YEC, murray 3 SFs, chang 1 F, no semis, I'd probably say even there ...

murray has 8 masters, chang 7 masters ..

career titles : chang 34, murray 24 ...

years in the top 10 at year end : chang 7, murray 5

years in top 5 at year end : chang 4, murray 5


murray already has a lot more in his favour ...

so yeah, murray should be in ...

[merlinpinpin]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Roddick, Rafter, Kafelnikov are all highly questionable.

Roddick- Only edge is his year end #1. Otherwise Murray's career trumps Roddick in everyway now.

Rafter- 2 slams but something like only 11 singles titles. Not much longevity as a top player, not much in the way of achievements outside his U.S Open titels and Wimbledon finals.

Kafelnikov- 2 slams but couldnt even win a single Masters vs the 8 Murray has won, many less slam finals and semis than Murray, and Murray also has Olympic Gold.

And Kafelnikov hasn't?

For the record, I think Murray already is top 100 all-time (even including women). He sure isn't close to top 20, though, still got a lot of work to do to get there.

[beast of mallorca]

Originally Posted by merlinpinpin

And Kafelnikov hasn't?

For the record, I think Murray already is top 100 all-time (even including women). He sure isn't close to top 20, though, still got a lot of work to do to get there.

I don't even know why Tennis Channel clump the men and women together, because it's a completely different set of tennis altogether. They should have made the top 30 or 50 for each men and women.

[Fedex]

Originally Posted by abmk

Let's see:

chang is 100th, right ?

@ USO, murray : 1 W, 1 F, 1 SF, chang = 1 F, 2 SF, so murray >> chang @ the USO

@ AO , murray : 2 F, 1 SF, chang = 1 F, 2 SF, so murray > chang @ the AO

@ wimbledon, murray : 1 F, 3 SF, chang = 0 SF, so murray >>>> chang @ wimbledon

@ FO : murray : 1 SF, chang = 1W, 1 F, so chang >>>> murray @ the FO

@ the YEC, murray 3 SFs, chang 1 F, no semis, I'd probably say even there ...

murray has 8 masters, chang 7 masters ..

career titles : chang 34, murray 24 ...

years in the top 10 at year end : chang 7, murray 5

years in top 5 at year end : chang 4, murray 5


murray already has a lot more in his favour ...

so yeah, murray should be in ...

Point proven. Murray is already top 100.

[Fedex]

Also Murray is in an era with one of the strongest top 3 in tennis history.

[Phoenix1983]

Originally Posted by firepanda

I'd say he is already in the Top 10 greatest of all time.

Um....OK

Originally Posted by merlinpinpin

And Kafelnikov hasn't?

For the record, I think Murray already is top 100 all-time (even including women). He sure isn't close to top 20, though, still got a lot of work to do to get there.

That is my whole point, Murray like Kafelnikov has Olympic Gold so even that isnt an edge for Kafelnikov. His only edge (in singles anyway) is 1 extra slam, which of course huge, but Murray has 8 Masters titles to 0 for Kafelnikov, much more consistency playing at the highest level, many more slam finals and semis, much more success vs the best players of his era. I would never say Kafelnikov is a better player than Murray, and probably not Roddick or Rafter either.

[Gonzo_style]

Probably, I think he needs another GS title, but he won the Olympic gold medal, so in my opinion, Murray is already in the top hundred.

[batz]

Originally Posted by MonkeyBoy

Roddick wasn't in decline. He was 26 and playing at 200% in that tournament, coming within a hair's breadth of the winning the whole thing. A 19 Murray schooled a 23 year old Roddick in 2006.

Roddick reached #1, but in a weaker era, and didn't keep it that long. Living in Federer's shadow aside, Roddick always had a very inconsistent career. Since 72 only five players have reached more consecutive Grand Slam quarter finals than Murray, only three have reached more consecutive semis.

Top statting mate.

[Phoenix1983]

Originally Posted by batz

Top statting mate.

Federer, Djokovic and Lendl ?