Greatest Grass Court Player of All Time.

[TheFifthSet]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Sampras has won the USO 5 times as well ( and reached more finals then Fed) and managed 7 wimbledons in an 8 year period (more domination at wimbledon then Fed in that regard).

I absolutely love this.

You completely do a switch-aroo. At the US Open, Federer is more dominant, but Pete reached more finals, so you favour Pete. At Wimbledon, Pete is supposedly more dominant, but Fed has more finals, so you favour Pete.


Do you realize how inconsistent that is? You contradict yourself in the same sentence.

[abmk]

Originally Posted by TheFifthSet

I absolutely love this.

You completely do a switch-aroo. At the US Open, Federer is more dominant, but Pete reached more finals, so you favour Pete. At Wimbledon, Pete is supposedly more dominant, but Fed has more finals, so you favour Pete.


Do you realize how inconsistent that is? You contradict yourself in the same sentence.

His arguments ensure his boy sampras wins at all costs, everywhere ... so they must be right !

[TheFifthSet]

Originally Posted by abmk

His arguments ensure his boy sampras wins at all costs, everywhere ... so they must be right !

Haha I know man, he seems completely oblivious to it too. He uses a different criteria in the same sentence, it's an awesome sight to behold.

[Goosehead]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Your boy almost lost to Benneateau which really isn't much better then losing to Bastl. ROFL.


I guess Sampras is the only player thats had "joke draws" huh? Fed's never had any Pete suffered from a blood disorder which caused him to fatigue faster then most.

How would Fed do with a fatigue causing blood disorder? 14 slams with Thalassemia Minor in a sport that REQUIRES great fitness is amazing (In fact many all say its what cost him a French Open title or two which I agree with)

you are mental federer almost lost to benneateau ?? no, he actually won

and benneateau was world rank in the 30s... when popgun pete almost lost..erm actually completely lost to the mighty geoprge bastl, he was ranked world no 145.

what an embarrassing disaster for sampras..having his knickers pulled down by mr world no 145 on court two.

[MTF07]

Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Your boy almost lost to Benneateau which really isn't much better then losing to Bastl. ROFL.


I guess Sampras is the only player thats had "joke draws" huh? Fed's never had any Pete suffered from a blood disorder which caused him to fatigue faster then most.

How would Fed do with a fatigue causing blood disorder? 14 slams with Thalassemia Minor in a sport that REQUIRES great fitness is amazing (In fact many all say its what cost him a French Open title or two which I agree with)

Sampras didn't have the game or mentality to win the Roland Garros title, and he never got close to winning it either, and you say he could have won "1 or 2" titles if he didn't have that blood disorder? You sure do love to romanticize.

[pc1]

Originally Posted by Talker

There's been Federer and Sampras talked about lately, largely ignoring the earlier ERA's before Borg.

In those earlier ERA's grass was more prevelant so there may be other players who have some solid claims.

It isn't just looking at titles, grass used to come in variations that could change the court conditions quite a bit.

Here's some stats that I hope are accurate and give some idea what Sampras and Federer are up against.


Bill Tilden: 10 Grass Court Titles, Including 10 Majors on Grass

Roy Emerson: 10 Grass Court Titles, Including 10 Majors on Grass

Rod Laver: 39 Grass Court Titles, Including 9 Majors on Grass

Roger Federer: 12 Grass Court Titles, Including 7 Majors on Grass

Pete Sampras: 10 Grass Court Titles, Including 7 Majors on Grass

John Newcombe: 10 Grass Court Titles, Including 7 Majors on Grass

Fred Perry: 7 Grass Court Titles, Including 7 Majors on Grass

Ken Rosewall: 6 Grass Court Titles, Including 6 Majors on Grass

Bjorn Borg: 6 Grass Court Titles, Including 5 Majors on Grass

Don Budge: 5 Grass Court Titles, Including 5 Majors on Grass

Frank Sedgman: 5 Grass Court Titles, Including 5 Majors on Grass

Jack Crawford: 5 Grass Court Titles, Including 5 Majors on Grass

If I counted correctly I have Laver at 51 grass court tournament victories. I have Rosewall at one more than Laver at 52 and Gonzalez at 13.

Problem with Emerson is that he played only against the amateurs for most of his career unlike Laver, Rosewall and Gonzalez.

There's been a lot of great grasscourt players before Borg. Subjectively I would think Kramer, Gonzalez, Laver, Rosewall, Tilden, Sedgman, Newcombe, Hoad would come to mind.

[TMF]

Originally Posted by pc1

If I counted correctly I have Laver at 51 grass court tournament victories. I have Rosewall at one more than Laver at 52 and Gonzalez at 13.

Problem with Emerson is that he played only against the amateurs for most of his career unlike Laver, Rosewall and Gonzalez.

There's been a lot of great grasscourt players before Borg. Subjectively I would think Kramer, Gonzalez, Laver, Rosewall, Tilden, Sedgman, Newcombe, Hoad would come to mind.

The top 10 greatest grass court tennis players are:

1. Roger Federer
2. Pete Sampras
3. Björn Borg
4. John McEnroe
5. Boris Becker
6. Rod Laver
7. Jimmy Connors
8. Stefan Edberg
9. Rafael Nadal
10. William Renshaw

You got Rosewall with 52 titles, but he doesn't make the top 25.
Best grass-court tennis player ever (male)

[pc1]

Originally Posted by TMF

The top 10 greatest grass court tennis players are:

1. Roger Federer
2. Pete Sampras
3. Björn Borg
4. John McEnroe
5. Boris Becker
6. Rod Laver
7. Jimmy Connors
8. Stefan Edberg
9. Rafael Nadal
10. William Renshaw

You got Rosewall with 52 titles, but he doesn't make the top 25.
Best grass-court tennis player ever (male)

You're amazing. You pull up these lists and act like these rankings are set in stone. Is there any surface besides clay you don't rank Federer by far number one?

[urban]

Ha, Ha, Ha. Especially Ilie on place 25.

[pc1]

Originally Posted by urban

Ha, Ha, Ha. Especially Ilie on place 25.

Sometime I wonder if TMF wasn't allowed to write about Federer would he have anything to write.

I was trying to give some useful information about Laver and Rosewall. He gives a ranking list of some unknown person that is of course opinion. It's not fact like two plus two equals four. Or perhaps two plus two equal Federer. I don't know anymore.

[pc1]

Originally Posted by urban

Ha, Ha, Ha. Especially Ilie on place 25.

Actually Ilie would stand a great chance against Federer on grass with wood. I would favor Ilie with a wood racquet.

[NadalDramaQueen]

Originally Posted by pc1

You're amazing. You pull up these lists and act like these rankings are set in stone. Is there any surface besides clay you don't rank Federer by far number one?

Originally Posted by pc1

Sometime I wonder if TMF wasn't allowed to write about Federer would he have anything to write.

I was trying to give some useful information about Laver and Rosewall. He gives a ranking list of some unknown person that is of course opinion. It's not fact like two plus two equals four. Or perhaps two plus two equal Federer. I don't know anymore.

pc1, to be fair, a large amount of posters in former pro player talk post exactly like TMF (except not about Federer), yet you say nothing to them because their rankings are more in line with your views.

Originally Posted by pc1

Actually Ilie would stand a great chance against Federer on grass with wood. I would favor Ilie with a wood racquet.

Really? I think Fed would beat Ilie with a ping pong paddle, regardless of what Ilie used. Anybody can make stuff up.

[TMF]

Originally Posted by pc1

You're amazing. You pull up these lists and act like these rankings are set in stone. Is there any surface besides clay you don't rank Federer by far number one?

No, it's just one example of a poll that's available. There are other polls that doesn't necessary be listed the same order. However, most people have the top three: Fed, Pete and Borg. What's the implication? It's saying that total titles in the pre-open era doesn't means it has more weight than a few titles(modern slams) in the open era. Borg only has a few grass titles but no one would say Rosewall is a greater grass player.

[pc1]

Originally Posted by NadalDramaQueen

pc1, to be fair, a large amount of posters in former pro player talk post exactly like TMF (except not about Federer), yet you say nothing to them because their rankings are more in line with your views.



Really? I think Fed would beat Ilie with a ping pong paddle, regardless of what Ilie used. Anybody can make stuff up.

That's a great line.

[The-Champ]

Originally Posted by TMF

The top 10 greatest grass court tennis players are:

1. Roger Federer
2. Pete Sampras
3. Björn Borg
4. John McEnroe
5. Boris Becker
6. Rod Laver
7. Jimmy Connors
8. Stefan Edberg
9. Rafael Nadal
10. William Renshaw

You got Rosewall with 52 titles, but he doesn't make the top 25.
Best grass-court tennis player ever (male)

In that list, Gasquet is ahead of Djokovic Very interesting list.

[NadalDramaQueen]

Originally Posted by pc1

That's a great line.

Fed said that a ping pong paddle is no good. Instead he will use a wooden wilson paintjob of the prince god racquet.



Take them to school, Fed.

[beast of mallorca]

Originally Posted by TMF

The top 10 greatest grass court tennis players are:

1. Roger Federer
2. Pete Sampras
3. Björn Borg
4. John McEnroe
5. Boris Becker
6. Rod Laver
7. Jimmy Connors
8. Stefan Edberg
9. Rafael Nadal
10. William Renshaw

You got Rosewall with 52 titles, but he doesn't make the top 25.
Best grass-court tennis player ever (male)

Originally Posted by pc1

You're amazing. You pull up these lists and act like these rankings are set in stone. Is there any surface besides clay you don't rank Federer by far number one?

pc1, you have to understand that TMF kisses the floor that Fed steps on, can't help the fangirl in him. He's worse than fed_is_god........

[TheFifthSet]

Originally Posted by TMF

The top 10 greatest grass court tennis players are:

1. Roger Federer
2. Pete Sampras
3. Björn Borg
4. John McEnroe
5. Boris Becker
6. Rod Laver
7. Jimmy Connors
8. Stefan Edberg
9. Rafael Nadal
10. William Renshaw

You got Rosewall with 52 titles, but he doesn't make the top 25.
Best grass-court tennis player ever (male)

Do you realize this list has Richard Gasquet ahead of Emerson, Hoad, Rosewall and Gonzalez? And right below him is Djokovic, a guy who has won Wimbledon.What in the world could you see in a list that pits Richard Gasquet ahead of 4 guys (among others) that won Wimbledon? And even though Rosewall never won Wimby, to not include him on that list is a travesty.

Hel, you have random people making these rankings:

http://www.rankopedia.com/ViewAllVot...fresh=74234430

[pc1]

Originally Posted by NadalDramaQueen

Fed said that a ping pong paddle is no good. Instead he will use a wooden wilson paintjob of the prince god racquet.



Take them to school, Fed.

I wouldn't want to tell what Nastase would want to do. lol.

Trivia-Did you know that Fred Perry, number one player in the 1930's was also the World Table Tennis aka Ping Pong champion?

In all seriousness, it would be interesting to see how Federer would have adjusted to a wood racquet. His whole tennis swing would have to change and his general style of play. He couldn't hit the heavy topspin angles he hits now and he probably would mishit far more with a small wood racquet unless he flattens out his swing. I think he would adjust but it would be fascinating to see how his style would have changed.

[urban]

Ilie Nastase yes, he would have a chance against anybody. But it seems, that infamous poll means the Australian Ilie as 25th among best grass players.