Angell Sport!

[topspinlob]

has anyone played with TC100? What does the head shape like? more circular? oval?

I went thru making a racket on the website.. Are the specs( wt and balance) on there unstrung? If you want the black leather grip will Paul account for the weight of the leather to those specs?

[Chas]

Originally Posted by topspinlob

has anyone played with TC100? What does the head shape like? more circular? oval?

I went thru making a racket on the website.. Are the specs( wt and balance) on there unstrung? If you want the black leather grip will Paul account for the weight of the leather to those specs?

There's another thread a bit further down, which has some of that info for you.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=444060

[jjs891]

topspinlob

I have no experience with new Angell but I think they are same as Vantages which I have used.

The shape of 100 is definitely more oval than round, and all the specs are unstrung. The weght of the grip is compensated into the total wt. given

Hope this helps. Good luck.

[topspinlob]

Originally Posted by jjs891

topspinlob

I have no experience with new Angell but I think they are same as Vantages which I have used.

The shape of 100 is definitely more oval than round, and all the specs are unstrung. The weght of the grip is compensated into the total wt. given

Hope this helps. Good luck.

@jjs891 Thanks!. I play with customized Exo3 Graphite 100 right now (12.3 oz, 5pts HL). The headshape of this racket is more circular which I like. Do you have a pic of your TC100?

[jjs891]

Sorry I don't own Angell racquet.

Look up Kal-El 34's thread about Angell TC-95.

Suppawat has a post showing his new TC-100....post #53

[Stringers]

Angell frames have definitely peaked my interest lately.

Currently hitting with a C10 Pro that I'm trying to mesh with, but I'm thinking about Angell for comparisons sake.

The frame I put together

TC95
16x19
70RA
Extended Length either 27.25 or 27.5
320-330 g. 11.4-11.7 Oz.
310 mm
C Handle Shape
4 3/8 Grip
Red BG Red Grip

Just curious to opinions?

I'm a primary baseliner keeping the ball out of the middle of the court to get short balls and to put points away at the net. My serve is my biggest weapon with a big flat serve and heavy slice/kick serve. Thus the extended length and 70 RA stiffness, really want to produce a stick that plays to my game with my serve and ground strokes.

Definitely prefer 16x19 open string pattern to the livelier feel/action on the ball.

Just trying to find the perfect mix. Love the plush feel of my C10 but looking for a little crisper response.

Played with an extended length racquet before and loved the results. Don't come to net much but when I do I put it away rather than going for touch unless I have to or playing I'm doubles. I do want it to be maneuverable tho so I'm between the .25 or .5 extension.

Oh and looking for a swing weight around 325.

Anyways I'll hang up and listen haha

[suppawat]

Originally Posted by topspinlob

has anyone played with TC100? What does the head shape like? more circular? oval?

I went thru making a racket on the website.. Are the specs( wt and balance) on there unstrung? If you want the black leather grip will Paul account for the weight of the leather to those specs?

The TC100 has oval head shape. The spec on Angell website is unstrung spec. Paul should readjust weight and balance based on grip types you want. All 4 frames I ordered from him have no lead tape in the hoop. I think the weight customization is done at the handle only.

[suppawat]

Originally Posted by Stringers

Angell frames have definitely peaked my interest lately.

Currently hitting with a C10 Pro that I'm trying to mesh with, but I'm thinking about Angell for comparisons sake.

The frame I put together

TC95
16x19
70RA
Extended Length either 27.25 or 27.5
320-330 g. 11.4-11.7 Oz.
310 mm
C Handle Shape
4 3/8 Grip
Red BG Red Grip

Just curious to opinions?

I'm a primary baseliner keeping the ball out of the middle of the court to get short balls and to put points away at the net. My serve is my biggest weapon with a big flat serve and heavy slice/kick serve. Thus the extended length and 70 RA stiffness, really want to produce a stick that plays to my game with my serve and ground strokes.

Definitely prefer 16x19 open string pattern to the livelier feel/action on the ball.

Just trying to find the perfect mix. Love the plush feel of my C10 but looking for a little crisper response.

Played with an extended length racquet before and loved the results. Don't come to net much but when I do I put it away rather than going for touch unless I have to or playing I'm doubles. I do want it to be maneuverable tho so I'm between the .25 or .5 extension.

Oh and looking for a swing weight around 325.

Anyways I'll hang up and listen haha

That can be too powerful racquet. You can either lower stiffness or change string pattern to 18x20 to tame the power.

I have TC95 (310g, 63RA, 27in, 16x19, 320mm), and found it quite powerful. The "D" shaped beam is faster thru their than those box beam frames are, and this makes the frame very whippy. Sweet spot is huge for a 95 sq.in racquet face. Ball feels is clean, solid, and consistent. I'd compare it to Wilson Blade 98 with slightly more mute feel. Even though TC95 doesn't hit heavy ball like Donnay Pro One 16x19, but I can whip the ball with less effort and drive the ball to baseline consistently. The main string distribution is dense in the middle and more open towards both sides.

The TC95 18x20 (same balance and weight) is a completely different frame. It has very low power, but still hit the ball very clean and solid. Will try to change weight and balance for more power.

[Stringers]

Originally Posted by suppawat

That can be too powerful racquet. You can either lower stiffness or change string pattern to 18x20 to tame the power.

I have TC95 (310g, 63RA, 27in, 16x19, 320mm), and found it quite powerful. The "D" shaped beam is faster thru their than those box beam frames are, and this makes the frame very whippy. Sweet spot is huge for a 95 sq.in racquet face. Ball feels is clean, solid, and consistent. I'd compare it to Wilson Blade 98 with slightly more mute feel. Even though TC95 doesn't hit heavy ball like Donnay Pro One 16x19, but I can whip the ball with less effort and drive the ball to baseline consistently. The main string distribution is dense in the middle and more open towards both sides.

The TC95 18x20 (same balance and weight) is a completely different frame. It has very low power, but still hit the ball very clean and solid. Will try to change weight and balance for more power.

Think so? I think I've settled on the 11.4 Oz. frame, the 11.7 + Extended length would be a load to swing. I'm looking for a crisper response than my C10.

Any opinion on the 63 flex?

[suppawat]

Originally Posted by Stringers

Think so? I think I've settled on the 11.4 Oz. frame, the 11.7 + Extended length would be a load to swing. I'm looking for a crisper response than my C10.

Any opinion on the 63 flex?

In most cases, 63-67RA for 20mm beam is a perfect combination for playability and comfort. 63RA of TC95 plays slightly firmer than 63RA of C10 Pro.

[Stringers]

Originally Posted by suppawat

In most cases, 63-67RA for 20mm beam is a perfect combination for playability and comfort. 63RA of TC95 plays slightly firmer than 63RA of C10 Pro.

Thanks for the reply and help! I apologize but I ended up going with the 70 RA frame before I saw your reply. I read where that is unstrung and is closer to 66 or 67 RA when all is said and done. So I went with that because I was after the livelier feel/directional control, also have no arm issues so the stiffer frame should be no problem there.

If its too much, no big deal. I'll adjust and I'll know better for next time.

Thanks to everyone for the help and cant wait to see how it plays!

[smirker]

Just got a TC100 in to demo. 63RA, 320mm balance, standard length. Looking forward to hitting with it soon. Hoping that the Angell will provide the mix of power/control/comfort I am after.

[Chas]

Just received my TC95.

Went for 27", 16x19, 63RA, 320g, 305mm (12pts),Size 3 - grip shape B

Not hand chance to play with it yet - icy with rain at the moment, so even us Scots are off the courts, but thought I'd post some initial observations.

Specs came in pretty well spot on. Now that it's strung and with a dampener, it's 345g and 9pts HL - which is what I was aiming for. From my previous posts earlier in this thread you'll see I currently play with a Bio 200 Tour (16x1 and a 4D 200 (18x20). My 4D 200 comes in at 350g and 8 pts HL, the Bio is 367g and 9 pts HL. I like the Bio - its punch, spin potential, quickness through the air etc, but would prefer it to be more like the 4D 200 in weight, so this is my attempt to find that kind of spec.


The Angell looks great and feels just right in the hand.


I've included some pics comparing it visually to the Bio 200 Tour. You'll see that it's very similar (even the lettering etc). The only two noticeable differences are the grip and head shape. The grip is fractionally squarer than the Dunlops and feels a bit larger (all size 3), so I may forego the overgrip I normally add. The Angell head is a bit wider (less oval) than the Dunlops - which I'm happy about prefer . Interestingly one of Dunlop's comments on the new F series is that they've made the heads less oval than the Bio series.



Pics of the Angell TC95 compared to the Dunlop Bio 200 Tour
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Angell TC95 vs Bio 200T - Side by Side


Angell TC95 vs Bio 200T - Profile


Angell TC95 vs Bio 200T - Graphics


Angelll TC95 vs Bio 200T - Butt Caps




I'll post a follow up once the rain has let up and I've had a chance to play


Chas

[luishcorreia]

One thing i am not 100% certain... Are angell frames identical to vantage.

For example, if I have already a given configuration in a vantage frame.. If I order the same specs in a angell frame will I get an "identical" racuqet, like if I was ordering a second vantage?

[ramos77]

Angell buttcap looks nasty!

[rlau]

Originally Posted by luishcorreia

One thing i am not 100% certain... Are angell frames identical to vantage.

For example, if I have already a given configuration in a vantage frame.. If I order the same specs in a angell frame will I get an "identical" racuqet, like if I was ordering a second vantage?

I suspect that they come from the same factory, and that only the cosmetics have been updated. So I think you would be safe ordering an Angell frame to replace a Vantage frame.

[topspinlob]

so I bought a Vantage off fleabay with these specs.

model - vt 321 red
310 grams / 320 mm balance
100 sq inch head
16 x 19 string pattern
63 ra
grip 4 3/8 leather (wilson)

I was able to add a boatload of lead to the bottom of the throat to get it to around 346 grams and 6 pts HL with a TW leather grip (thin one) and Wilson Sensation Overgrip. I typically like the Prince shape. I was trying to match the specs I would get for and Angell racket. I think the only thing I would change is I would step down in grip size to L2.


The spin and plow is great on the Vantage. I think it matches up with my current racket (Prince EXO3 Graphite 100). I like thin beams and I wasn't sure if I was going to like the 21mm beam width and "D" shape beam profile. I really like it on the serve. I get more power and feel with the vantage. I still get the same topspin on groundstrokes and the serve. The tell-tale sign I really like the racket is that I was able to hit my OHBH for winners and passing shots.

Anyhow I would really like to buy two of the Angellrackets ($175) but it's too expensive for me right now. I was thinking of buying and getting the red vantage to spec.. oh well.. but in final vantage/angell rackets are great...

[Disneos]

Can anyone tell me how these racquets feel in terms of comfort, especially for the 63 RA in either the 95 or 100 head sizes, if more info on how I'd set it up is needed than ill reply with it but just wondering how the frame itself is, if its stiff or not just really wanna know if its arm friendly

[Disneos]

Originally Posted by Disneos

Can anyone tell me how these racquets feel in terms of comfort, especially for the 63 RA in either the 95 or 100 head sizes, if more info on how I'd set it up is needed than ill reply with it but just wondering how the frame itself is, if its stiff or not just really wanna know if its arm friendly

to add to this, this seems promising just wondering if building a custom angell frame to be arm friendly is possible and looking for some help in this aspect

[topspinlob]

must say.. i'm getting dialed in with the vantage 100 racket right now.. I really want to get Angell rackets but the cost is too much to bear right now so I am looking into getting some used ones here and on flea bay and lead it up to my specs..

one question about vantage/angell... do the grip sizes run kinda big? the one I have has a vantage leather grip (wilson shape/L3) but feels smaller than the grip on my BLX 6.1 95 with OG. It could be the leather grip is that thick... I put a TW thin leather grip with Wilson Sensation OG but I didnt' like it.. I put back on the Vantage grip while stretching it a bit to make it smaller and realized I like playing with leather bare!