Murray has a good chance to become #1 next year

[The Bawss]

Originally Posted by Sabratha

Djokovic still beats his chest and rips his shirts after a match, and he's #1 in the world. Give Murray a break.

Djokovic has earned the right to be a douch on court. When Murray goes on a 40+ match-winning streak he can fistpump, shout, grab his crotch, rip his shirt off and it will bother next to no one.

[batz]

Originally Posted by The Bawss

Djokovic has earned the right to be a douch on court. When Murray goes on a 40+ match-winning streak he can fistpump, shout, grab his crotch, rip his shirt off and it will bother next to no one.

You meander like a big meandery thing with a healthy dose of hypocrisy. Either the behaviour is unacceptable or it isn't. If you find it unacceptable then that's fine - what isn't fine is the notion is that some people get to behave unacceptably because of their position in life.

Would you argue that a senior politician or a CEO should be allowed to p1ss in the street because of who they are? Thought not. Put your Murray hate and your troll suit to one side for a moment and get with the programme.

[PhrygianDominant]

Djokovic is just one of those guys with next to no understanding of how his behavior is percieved. He tries way too hard to be charming, macho, you name it, and it comes off really awkward and lame...

and I like Djokovic, just saying...

[PhrygianDominant]

Originally Posted by Mainad

He's quite shy off court but he can be quite funny and has a very dry sense of humour. He's no extrovert like Djokovic, that's true.

I agree. I also think that murray's humor runs toward the darker/inappropriate for interview side, and we hardly get to appreciate it. He makes me laugh more than Djokovic, and Djovovic is constantly trying to make everyone laugh.

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by PhrygianDominant

I agree. I also think that murray's humor runs toward the darker/inappropriate for interview side, and we hardly get to appreciate it. He makes me laugh more than Djokovic, and Djovovic is constantly trying to make everyone laugh.

Murray is a naturally funny guy, Djokovic just tries hard to impress.

[axel89]

they're both pretty funny

[tennis_pro]

Originally Posted by batz

You're the second person on this thread to try and draw an analogy between something that isn't possible with something that is.

Sonicare doesn't have the ATP ranking to compete in the above tournaments, and given that he is nothing more than a guy who trolls on a tennis messagboard, I can't see many TD's offering him a wildcard.

Not the brightest star in the galaxy that Sonicare.

You're nitpicking, batz. Just take Donald Young if you need someone with an ATP ranking point (I think Donald still has at least 1 point?). Although Murray's chances of reaching no 1 are bigger than Young's, the odds are still rather low. He would have to rely on Djokovic's complete lack of form and himself playing out of his mind for a longer period. Then there's also Federer who still has a solid lead over Murray in the rankings... and who says Fed won't take advantage from Djokovic's potentiall loses? Nadal is coming back as well so free ride for the top 3 ends here.

[Phoenix1983]

Originally Posted by PhrygianDominant

I agree. I also think that murray's humor runs toward the darker/inappropriate for interview side, and we hardly get to appreciate it. He makes me laugh more than Djokovic, and Djovovic is constantly trying to make everyone laugh.

Murray and Lendl apparently share a sick sense of humour.

[batz]

Originally Posted by tennis_pro

You're nitpicking, batz. Just take Donald Young if you need someone with an ATP ranking point (I think Donald still has at least 1 point?). Although Murray's chances of reaching no 1 are bigger than Young's, the odds are still rather low. He would have to rely on Djokovic's complete lack of form and himself playing out of his mind for a longer period. Then there's also Federer who still has a solid lead over Murray in the rankings... and who says Fed won't take advantage from Djokovic's potentiall loses? Nadal is coming back as well so free ride for the top 3 ends here.

Pointing out that something is impossible is not nitpicking.

I've already shown earlier how Murray could get within touching distance of Nole. Murray winning the AO from Nole's half would see that 5000 point gap almost halved. Does Donald Young have 'a good chance' of getting to number 1 next year? No - because he's not starting from an 8000 point base. Does Murray? Yes. Will Murray? No idea - if pushed I'd say probably not.

Re your statement in bold - I think you mean that the odds on Murray getting to number 1 are high? (high odds = lower probability, low odds = higher probability).

Bookies make Murray 3/1 to be year end number 1 with Nole 4/5. I'm guessing the odds on Murray being number 1 at some point would be lower than for year end but I don't see a book on it. Either way, bookies have Murray as 2nd favourite to be world number 1 at year end (Rafa is 8/1 and you can get 14/1 for Roger).

So, odds not that high then - and in the opinion of the bookies, lower than anyone not named Nole.

Murray has already shown that he can produce number 1 levels of non-slam consistency in 09/10 and slam consistency in 11/12. If he is able to combine both in 2013 then he stands a good chance - if he doesn't, he won't.

EDIT - Whilst I can't find odds for Murray making number 1 at anytime, there is a book on Murray making top 2 at any time in 2013 - he is 1/16.

[Sabratha]

Originally Posted by 5555

Is it a fact?

It's a fact when the proof is evidenced with his vivid "displays" on court, shortly after winning a game or a point. Ripping your shirt in triumph and beating your chest for attention signals an outrageous desire to be seen as overly macho and powerful, which is in turn Djokovic trying hard to be liked.

[axel89]

Originally Posted by batz

Pointing out that something is impossible is not nitpicking.

I've already shown earlier how Murray could get within touching distance of Nole. Murray winning the AO from Nole's half would see that 5000 point gap almost halved. Does Donald Young have 'a good chance' of getting to number 1 next year? No - because he's not starting from an 8000 point base. Does Murray? Yes. Will Murray? No idea - if pushed I'd say probably not.

Re your statement in bold - I think you mean that the odds on Murray getting to number 1 are high? (high odds = lower probability, low odds = higher probability).

Bookies make Murray 3/1 to be year end number 1 with Nole 4/5. I'm guessing the odds on Murray being number 1 at some point would be lower than for year end but I don't see a book on it. Either way, bookies have Murray as 2nd favourite to be world number 1 at year end (Rafa is 8/1 and you can get 14/1 for Roger).

So, odds not that high then - and in the opinion of the bookies, lower than anyone not named Nole.

Murray has already shown that he can produce number 1 levels of non-slam consistency in 09/10 and slam consistency in 11/12. If he is able to combine both in 2013 then he stands a good chance - if he doesn't, he won't.

1/14 chance thats like 7%

[batz]

Originally Posted by axel89

1/14 chance thats like 7%

Odds of 14/1 is the equivalent to a probability of 6.67%

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by PhrygianDominant

Djokovic is just one of those guys with next to no understanding of how his behavior is percieved. He tries way too hard to be charming, macho, you name it, and it comes off really awkward and lame...and I like Djokovic, just saying...

This is spot on. His out of control Silverback behavior is one of the main reasons I can't stand him. That and his trashy family.

[tennis_pro]

Originally Posted by batz

Pointing out that something is impossible is not nitpicking.

It was, cause me reaching the no 1 spot in June 2013 ain't practically any less probable than Young reaching the top ranking.

Originally Posted by batz

Does Donald Young have 'a good chance' of getting to number 1 next year? No - because he's not starting from an 8000 point base.

You could've just said "anyone with at least 8000 points has a chance to reach the top spot" so that Murray fit in just right

Originally Posted by batz

Re your statement in bold - I think you mean that the odds on Murray getting to number 1 are high? (high odds = lower probability, low odds = higher probability).

Yeah typo, was typing inbetween lectures so didn't have much time, thanks for correcting.

Originally Posted by batz

Bookies make Murray 3/1 to be year end number 1 with Nole 4/5. I'm guessing the odds on Murray being number 1 at some point would be lower than for year end but I don't see a book on it. Either way, bookies have Murray as 2nd favourite to be world number 1 at year end (Rafa is 8/1 and you can get 14/1 for Roger).

Could you give us the link which has Murray at 3-1 to end 2013 as no 1? I don't quite find it believable.

BTW Nadal is good value - underrated as always If it's true I'm actually considering betting on him ending the year at no 1

Originally Posted by batz

Murray has already shown that he can produce number 1 levels of non-slam consistency in 09/10 and slam consistency in 11/12. If he is able to combine both in 2013 then he stands a good chance - if he doesn't, he won't.

The thing is to combine both. Odds are - if something hasn't happened - there's a good chance it won't in the future. That's why I'm wondering why the bookies put Murray at 3/1, not saying it won't happen but it's a long shot.

Originally Posted by batz

EDIT - Whilst I can't find odds for Murray making number 1 at anytime, there is a book on Murray making top 2 at any time in 2013 - he is 1/16.

1/16? I'd put it at 50/50 but hey who am I to critisize the bookies

[batz]

Originally Posted by tennis_pro

It was, cause me reaching the no 1 spot in June 2013 ain't practically any less probable than Young reaching the top ranking.



You could've just said "anyone with at least 8000 points has a chance to reach the top spot" so that Murray fit in just right



Yeah typo, was typing inbetween lectures so didn't have much time, thanks for correcting.



Could you give us the link which has Murray at 3-1 to end 2013 as no 1? I don't quite find it believable.

BTW Nadal is good value - underrated as always If it's true I'm actually considering betting on him ending the year at no 1



The thing is to combine both. Odds are - if something hasn't happened - there's a good chance it won't in the future. That's why I'm wondering why the bookies put Murray at 3/1, not saying it won't happen but it's a long shot.



1/16? I'd put it at 50/50 but hey who am I to critisize the bookies

As requested. Agree 100% on Nadal being good value.

http://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/season

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by batz

As requested. Agree 100% on Nadal being good value.http://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/season

Yeah if you want to lose your money. Lol.

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by The Bawss

Djokovic has earned the right to be a douch on court. When Murray goes on a 40+ match-winning streak he can fistpump, shout, grab his crotch, rip his shirt off and it will bother next to no one.

No one earns such a right.

Originally Posted by batz

You meander like a big meandery thing with a healthy dose of hypocrisy. Either the behaviour is unacceptable or it isn't. If you find it unacceptable then that's fine - what isn't fine is the notion is that some people get to behave unacceptably because of their position in life.

Would you argue that a senior politician or a CEO should be allowed to p1ss in the street because of who they are? Thought not. Put your Murray hate and your troll suit to one side for a moment and get with the programme.

Exactly this.

Originally Posted by Phoenix1983

Murray and Lendl apparently share a sick sense of humour.

Yeah, this reminded me of that on court interview of Murray with Courier, and Courier was telling him that when Murray talks about Lendl having a great sense of humour he wonders "what?, is that the same Lendl I know"?, lol.

[PhrygianDominant]

Originally Posted by Phoenix1983

Murray and Lendl apparently share a sick sense of humour.

I know lendl was a tool back in the day, but it's hardly a rarity in sports. I have never heard anything that suggests Murray is so.

Originally Posted by Clarky21

This is spot on. His out of control Silverback behavior is one of the main reasons I can't stand him. That and his trashy family.

I knew there were some reasonable posters left on this board.