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[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by cc0509

Anybody with a brain says the virus story is BS. He was out practising on clay two days after the virus story broke.

Nope, only people with lacking reading skills. He had been sick for like 2 weeks by the time he was seen practising. Any reasonable person would understand he would probably feel better by then. When the story broke is irrelevant.

No, the knees are not the reason he gave for withdrawing from the AO. He said the knees are fine but because he had the virus it interrupted his practice that he needed in order to be prepared for the AO.

His buddy Ferrer just gave an interview where he stated Nadal's knees are fine as well.

Again, he didn't say his knees were fine. He said he still felt something and wasn't sure if he was going to play the tournaments in January, February.

His friends are just being supportive and optimistic, much more than he has been himself. I remember Moya saying not long ago that Nadal was going to be ready for the AO.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

There are many things that can't be proven. It doesn't mean all theories are equally valid. Some are pure nonsense, the "silent ban" one being a good example.



Uhm, can you read?, HE HAS WITHDRAWN TWICE FROM RG DUE TO INJURY. In 2004 he actually missed the whole clay season and Wimbledon.



Lol, you're the one who brought up the issue of proving anything here. Yes, you have to prove accusations against others, even in a casual conversation (or at least present a good, logical, credible basis). Otherwise you're talking bs and defaming people for the sake of it. But don't worry, I'm sure no one's going to sue you for it.



You can go and look for what I've posted about Robben in the 2010 WC and Rafa in 2005 Madrid to see how good players can play even while injured. You just don't know what you're talking about.

About Halle, I think he played doubles simple because he had entered already. There are two cases of him having played doubles despite not feeling fine or being obviously tired. There's some interview with Marc Lopez where he tells how Rafa was sick but refused to withdraw, and I believe they ended up winning the tournament. Don't remember what tournament was... maybe I'll look it up (or maybe someone remembers here). And he didn't withdraw from the doubles in Cincinnati in 2011 either, you might remember, he had just played that looong match against Verdasco and everyone thought he for sure was going to withdraw from the doubles. Even Fish (his next opponent) said he couldn't imagine Nadal would not withdraw from the doubles match).

In Halle last year, Granollers ended up withdrawing citing injury. Considering what happened afterwards, maybe Rafa was rather stupidly refusing to withdraw so he did instead.

It was Doha 2011. He was sick as a dog with the flu but refused to withdraw, and eventually lost to Davy in the semis. He was coughing and gagging on court he was so ill. He looked like death, and I think playing through that sickness cost him a shot at the AO that year.

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

It was Doha 2011. He was sick as a dog with the flu but refused to withdraw, and eventually lost to Davy in the semis. He was coughing and gagging on court he was so ill. He looked like death, and I think playing through that sickness cost him a shot at the AO that year.

But was it then that he won in doubles?.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

But was it then that he won in doubles?.

Yep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr6dZKnQFhc

[cc0509]

Crisstti;7093129]Nope, only people with lacking reading skills. He had been sick for like 2 weeks by the time he was seen practising. Any reasonable person would understand he would probably feel better by then. When the story broke is irrelevant.

Oh for Pete's sake clue in would you. Even the most diehard Nadal fan does not believe the virus story. You want to believe it is his knees fine or that he is just not ready mentally fine, but a virus one month before the AO? Get real.

People have a right to be skeptical, this whole story has been a PR nightmare. Look at this Jon Wertheim mailbag headline from today with Wertheim's corresponding remarks:

"Fans have right to question Nadal's reasons for withdrawing"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ten...el-nadal-2013/

Sports journalists are questioning Nadal's stories and they have to be as neutral as possible. They probably know what is really going on but they can't write about it as Wertheim mentions but fans can speculate away and they will.

Again, he didn't say his knees were fine. He said he still felt something and wasn't sure if he was going to play the tournaments in January, February.

That depends on what day it is because every day it changes. One day it is the knees that are still a problem and the next day the knees are perfect. Who can make sense of any of it? Even Benito his PR man gave some interview the other day where he denied that he ever said Nadal's knees were fine around the Olympic withdrawal time. He is a liar. He clearly said that Nadal's knees were not the problem and that he was not in the condition to compete at the Olympics. Are you going to deny that too when Benito's past comments are all over the internet in black and white?

His friends are just being supportive and optimistic, much more than he has been himself. I remember Moya saying not long ago that Nadal was going to be ready for the AO.

His friends have all given statements which have proven to be incorrect--i.e. Ferrer said Nadal was going to play Doha. What his friends say have no merit and means nothing.

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Yep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr6dZKnQFhc

Thanks. So, there's two documented cases of Nadal refusing to withdraw even though it obviously hurt his singles chances/wasn't fit to play. So his not withdrawing in Halle makes sense. (This is, cc, how you back up an argument).

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

Thanks. So, there's two documented cases of Nadal refusing to withdraw even though it obviously hurt his singles chances/wasn't fit to play. So his not withdrawing in Halle makes sense. (This is, cc, how you back up an argument).

What does him having a flu bug and playing doubles have to do with the argument that he could not have had a serious knee injury if he entered a tune-up to play both singles and doubles? They are not related in any way and you are not successfully backing up your argument.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by cc0509

It is not garbage. Even some of most diehard Nadal fans have questioned the virus story. I think you are the only one left who believes it.




Bodo? I did not post a link about Bodo. I posted a link from Wertheim. You are so deluded that you are even calling any sports journalist who realizes the truth--i.e. that Nadal's injury story from that Wimbledon loss is inconsistent and makes no sense at all, a hater too. Unless you believe every single word from Nadal's camp you are a hater? Oh boy, great logic girl!





Crisstti get a grip. Here is the statement from Benito about the Olympic withdrawal:


"Rafa Nadal is not injured." This is what was stated by Nadal’s publicist, Benito Barbadillo, who denies the knee problem that was highlighted only a few days ago by Dr. Sanchez who had cared for Rafa.

"The reason why Rafa did not participate in the Olympic Games and later in tournaments in Toronto and Cincinnati is because he is not in an optimal physical condition," concludes Barbadillo, who added that "the news circulated on the web about his injury with the knee are not true. "

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Benito...icolo5460.html

Are you still going to try and deny that Benito did not say this originally when it is all over the internet? Now the other day Benito said that he never said that the knee was fine. He is a liar, he clearly said it. Worst PR man for a pro athlete I have ever seen. Maybe you could get a job with him since you seem to fall for lies and half-truths.

Benito is an idiot, and if Nadal had any brains at all he would have canned that buffoon years ago. I guess maybe his scouting talents are too good for Nadal to let him go, so he keeps him around for that reason alone.

Originally Posted by dafinch

Why would anybody be inclined to give Butt Picker the benefit of the doubt? Name ONE other player who has been fined more than once for illegal coaching AND admitted to same in his autobiography? He's a proven cheater, with a long history of dubious behavior. There are nitwits around here who are convinced he hasn't lost a match that didn't include some sort of injury since, oh, about 2007.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ROpaOOBWU

[Crisstti]

Here it's what Marc said about that match in Doha (part of a longer interview):

In an equally exotic destination, and early in the year, just before the AO started, Nadal got a virus. It was in Doha. He lost the singles semifinals. “He was knackered, with a lot of fever”, Lopez remembres. Still, he decided to play the doubles final with his friend. “He told me he was very exited (to play). I value it a lot. He left his skin there and he was knackered. I know it, I was there. Things like that mean a lot. We won”.

http://elpais.com/diario/2011/07/18/...01_850215.html

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Crisstti

Here it's what Marc said about that match in Doha (part of a longer interview):

In an equally exotic destination, and early in the year, just before the AO started, Nadal got a virus. It was in Doha. He lost the singles semifinals. “He was knackered, with a lot of fever”, Lopez remembres. Still, he decided to play the doubles final with his friend. “He told me he was very exited (to play). I value it a lot. He left his skin there and he was knackered. I know it, I was there. Things like that mean a lot. We won”.

http://elpais.com/diario/2011/07/18/...01_850215.html

Yeah, it was obvious he was ill. He even called the trainer out for it(like they could help him). I believe that virus was the catalyst to how crappy his 2011 season went on to be, and he has never gotten back to the form he was before it.

[Crisstti]

I wonder if this Wertheim guy would stll think "there's no such thing as too much OOC testing" if he was the one submitted to it.

Anyway, saying "I couldn't even follow the reasoning of the conspiracy theorists" sounds pretty dismissive of such, uhm, "reasoning".

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Benito is an idiot, and if Nadal had any brains at all he would have canned that buffoon years ago. I guess maybe his scouting talents are too good for Nadal to let him go, so he keeps him around for that reason alone.

Hard to believe they keep Benito on but that whole camp needs to shut up and talk LESS. They are not doing themselves any favors by continuing to talk more and making inconsistent statements in the process.

[Carsomyr]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Those stereotypes really tick me off. Not all of us are anything like that. Too bad Dubya and his 8 year reign of terror has totally changed the way other countries see the US.

I blame it on the fact that just enough of us are like that, and that the dregs of our society are over-represented in idiotic reality TV shows that have become a global "insight" into our culture.

[Towser83]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Those stereotypes really tick me off. Not all of us are anything like that. Too bad Dubya and his 8 year reign of terror has totally changed the way other countries see the US.

I don't think he changed them, just made them worse. No offence - my girlfriend is American and a lot of my friends are and I enjoy spending time in America too. Steretypes grow over a while though and are hard to get rid of. Try not to feel bad, it's not just Americans that get a bad rap

[Crisstti]

Originally Posted by cc0509

So by your logic if Benito says it is true, it must be true right? Why is it whatever the Nadal camp says is always true, but when there is a clear inconsistency everybody else is wrong? Benito has botched this whole injury issue right from the beginning with inconsistent statements, that is very clear.

I am not trying to spread misinformation, I just see many inconsistencies in the Nadal injury story and you seem to have a problem with that. That is your problem.

I am not the one who failed the bar exam!

I make perfect sense about the RG withdrawals which occurred long before Nadal became Nadal the RG killer. How many RG's did Nadal withdraw from post 2005 (after he won his first RG) and compare that to how many non-clay events he has withdrawn from. I am waiting for that comparison.

No I have not been shown to be wrong, you have not shown that at all, not even close.

Like bone up on the laws and what constitutes defamation?

Neither am I. You - again - don't know what you're talking about.

It's irrelevant when those withdrawals happened. The requisite of it having to be since Nadal became a great player is something you came up with once you were proven wrong.

You don't know, among many other things, what constitutes defamation my friend, that much is clear.

[cc0509]

Crisstti;7095710]
It's irrelevant when those withdrawals happened. The requisite of it having to be since Nadal became a great player is something you came up with once you were proven wrong.

Because looking at events that Nadal has withdrawn from before he became a slam winning contender is silly. Tell me how many clay events has Nadal withdrawn from since 2005 (his first FO win) and how many non-clay events has he withdrawn from. That is what I want to know. It is a simple question. If I am wrong and Nadal has withdrawn from more clay events since 2005 than he has non-clay events, you win. Or how about don't even make it since 2005, in his entire career, what is his clay vs non-clay event withdrawals/retirements?

You don't know, among many other things, what constitutes defamation my friend, that much is clear.

I think it is you who is unclear about this topic. Opinions on forums are very rarely seen as serious defamation claims. As if Nadal and his team are going to come after people who post opinions on a tennis forum and open themselves up to that sort of scrutiny, lol. Tell me something, why didn't Nadal sue when it was published that his name was on the Fuentes client list? Surely a person who was not on a list would not want to be associated in any way with being on that list and it would be fairly easy to prove right? You are either a client or you are not. If he had no association with Fuentes that would be easy to prove. So he did not sue there, but he and his team are going to come after people who are merely stating opinions on a tennis forum?

[Crisstti]

ONLY 'JOURNALISTS' DOUBTING RAFAEL NADAL COMEBACK

David Ferrer has no doubt Spanish compatriot Rafael Nadal can return to the top despite his prolonged absence from tennis.

After pulling out of the Mubadala World Tennis Champion in Abu Dhabi last week, the upcoming Qatar Open and Australia Open with a stomach virus, there has been much speculation about the 26-year-old's future.

Knee trouble has seen him out of action since June, but compatriot Ferrer, who will play in Doha, is convinced the 11-time Grand Slam winner will return better than ever.

“The good news is he doesn’t have pain in the knees, so that’s the most important,” he said, contradicting suggestions that the statement that Nadal has been unwell is merely cover for continued mobility problems.

“I spoke with him few days ago. He was sick with a virus, and he preferred to stop (practising). And he will come back in South America (Acapulco in February).

“Rafael, he can do it because he’s a very good player. He’s a special player, no? He’s not like anyone else. Rafael, he’s very competitive, he’s a winner, and he’s young also. “I have confidence that when he comes back he will play good.

“Maybe not in his first tournaments because they are often tough, but I am sure he is coming back to number two or number one in the world.”

It's a view shared by another of the world's top 10 with Richard Gasquet who believes Nadal, a seven-time French Open champion, will be adding to his record-breaking exploits as soon as June.

“For sure he has problem with his knee, but I’m sure he’s coming back on clay in a month, and I’m sure he will be ready for Monte Carlo, that kind of tournament,” Gasquet said.

“He will be a hundred per cent. I’m pretty sure he will come back at his best level soon. He’s coming back on a clay court, which is better for his knee. For sure he will come back at his top form for Monte Carlo (in April), these kind of tournaments.

"And for me he’s still the favourite for Roland Garros. Nadal is one of the best. He’s incredible. I’m sure he will come back at his best level, and that he can still win a lot of Grand Slams.”

Asked therefore why there were so many people who doubted that such things were possible, Gasquet had a one-word answer - “journalists.”

http://www.sport360.com/article/only...nadal-comeback

[Nostradamus]

If Nadal decides to retire this year, would it be that much of a disaster ? 1/2 of the year 2012, Nadal was out. and it just seem to me that tennis fans didn't really miss him that much.
Murray kind of took over and provided the excitement for the 2nd 1/2 of 2012.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

If Nadal decides to retire this year, would it be that much of a disaster ? 1/2 of the year 2012, Nadal was out. and it just seem to me that tennis fans didn't really miss him that much.
Murray kind of took over and provided the excitement for the 2nd 1/2 of 2012.

He's the second most popular player on the ATP tour, so yes it would be a disaster. Especially since it would be so sudden and unexpected.

Not true. I won't explain why since it's a fantasy of yours that Nadal is unpopular, and that no one would miss him if he up and quit. Keep living in your fantasy if you wish.

So you believe Murray is as big of a star and as popular as Nadal is? What a load of rubbish.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

He's the second most popular player on the ATP tour, so yes it would be a disaster. Especially since it would be so sudden and unexpected.

Not true. I won't explain why since it's a fantasy of yours that Nadal is unpopular, and that no one would miss him if he up and quit. Keep living in your fantasy if you wish.

So you believe Murray is as big of a star and as popular as Nadal is? What a load of rubbish.

No, Murray isn't as exciting as Nadal, I agree there. but Nadal was never really a super star on Hard courts. he was mainly clay court players. and Americans here in the states just don't see him that much so they don't seem to miss him when he isn't here.