Homeschool for competitive tennis player in a non academy environment

[Alohajrtennis]

Originally Posted by coaching32yrs

Sorry my friend but you are not right. The Harvard coach has gone on record as saying home schooling is a scam and the students are buying "A"s. He says that Admissions will not allow him to bring in home schooled kids. The only exception is where a student has a track record at conventional school and left high school after 2 or 3 years to train and home school. Columbia, Brown, Yale- positions on home schooling are similar. I know these coaches. Have you emailed any Ivy coaches or heard them say otherwise?

This is an area where the world is radically changing, so the Harvard coach may not just be in synch with program yet. There have been enormous progress in technology, and the materials. Most states accredit programs that allow 'home schools' to get a state high school degree, not just a GED, and many offer these programs themselves. Many Ivy league schools actually have huge financial interests in growing this market as they are looking to leverage their brands, content, capabilities to get a piece of it. They do not have a financial interest in disparaging it.

Ten years ago, it would be very difficult for a student to get a home schooled education equal to that of a top flight public school without an enormous commitment of time from the parents, and even then, it would be questionable. Ten years from now, the opposite will be true, and at a fraction of the cost. We are really just in early stages of an education revolution.

[TCF]

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[klu375]

Whatever it takes to bring TCF back

It seems Ivys already got a few homeschooled girls for 2013. This includes Harvard. Maybe coaching32yrs should just click on TRN profiles instead of arguing a lost case.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by sureshs

Math can be managed. It is the science courses with labs (regular and AP) which are very difficult/impossible to duplicate at home. For the regular courses, I guess the labs can be done with one of the home-schooling science kits. But for an AP science course, teacher's guidance in the lab becomes very important and the lab itself is subject to College Board guidelines for it to be accredited.

My son is doing AP Biology this year and the content and labs are way, way above what I studied a generation ago. I have no clue what is going on.

Agree! The labs are not easy to do at home. My son takes AP Chemistry this year. His teacher is doing such a great job that she requires kids to enter the data and results on a lab notebook and have the content witnessed on the same day that an experiment is run. My son is doing a better job than what I did in my graduate school!

I wanted to add one more point - kids may feel more pressured (mostly from parents) to perform well if home schooled or attending a full time academy. A few kids in our section actually did worse in tournament after attending academy or home schooled. Two went back to a regular school after home schooled for one year and saw ranking go up. Well they also changed their coach.

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by Chemist

Agree! The labs are not easy to do at home. My son takes AP Chemistry this year. His teacher is doing such a great job that she requires kids to enter the data and results on a lab notebook and have the content witnessed on the same day that an experiment is run. My son is doing a better job than what I did in my graduate school!

I wanted to add one more point - kids may feel more pressured (mostly from parents) to perform well if home schooled or attending a full time academy. A few kids in our section actually did worse in tournament after attending academy or home schooled. Two went back to a regular school after home schooled for one year and saw ranking go up. Well they also changed their coach.

Interesting you mentioned AP Chem. My son took Honors Chem last year, the school will not let him to AP Chem again because they don't want him to hog two science slots a year (AP Bio this year, AP Phy next year). So I am going to have him do AP Chem in a private special school (it is basically one office suite with the kitchen as a lab) next summer. It is one block from where we live. He will get a transcript but cannot write the AP exam, because it is not offered in summer. I don't care about that because he will already have 2 APs going into the senior year. I might be shelling out $4000 for this summer AP course. It is a 1 one 1 setting and flexible timings.

Something along these lines should make home schooling easier for labs. Or of course the charter schools which offer some days of regular schooling a week - labs can be squeezed in there. Though I don't know how many have the infrastructure for an AP science course.

[coaching32yrs]

Originally Posted by TCF

A few questions for that coach:

1. Do they also "buy" the SAT scores and other standardized test scores?

2. Do they fake the internships with companies?

3. Do they get a stunt double to come to the personal interviews for them?

4. And lastly.....has he talked to the Harvard's admissions department, as they say the opposite of what he said?

"Grace S. Cheng, a Harvard Admissions Officer who oversees homeschool applications, estimates that her office now receives between 75 and 150 homeschooled applicants each year—a increase from the 1989 estimates of 5 to 10 homeschooled applicants per year.

Cheng says homeschoolers are neither at an advantage nor disadvantage when applying. “Yes, homeschoolers are usually ranked one out of one,” she says with a laugh. “But we have so many valedictorians in the pool that it’s not [quite] delineated out for us. We treat homeschool applicants no differently from other applicants. There are no separate application requirements.”

Harvard works to fill its classes with students from a variety of different backgrounds, and it appears these homeschoolers are no exception."

OK coach. I retract what I said. Maybe I have a hearing or memory problem.
Can still volley though. Just took out a top 18 year old in one on one doubles. Or maybe I didn't. Can't quite remember.

[maggmaster]

You can sit the AP exam the following year, you don't even need to take a class to sit those exams. I took 4 exams that my school didn't offer classes for and got credit for all 4 with self study.

[TCF]

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[coaching32yrs]

This has nothing to do with this thread but one on one doubles is a great game. I can compete with top juniors 40+ years younger. Plus, and this is the key, it teaches them how to serve/volley and play the net. Server has to serve/volley both serves. Added bonus- they realize their old coach can actually play and start listening to him. In regular singles they crush me.

[ac10splyr]

Unfortunately all these posts have evaded the topic :*( , I asked in a non academy environment for a high level junior who is homeschooled
Homeschooling in general is a whole different topic

[maggmaster]

Originally Posted by coaching32yrs

This has nothing to do with this thread but one on one doubles is a great game. I can compete with top juniors 40+ years younger. Plus, and this is the key, it teaches them how to serve/volley and play the net. Server has to serve/volley both serves. Added bonus- they realize their old coach can actually play and start listening to him. In regular singles they crush me.

I love this drill, my doubles partner and I got so much better last year when we started doing this. Another variation that makes it significantly harder is to have the server serve from the service line.

[MarTennis]

Originally Posted by db10s

No additional cost, I get out of school early, and take 2 FLVS (Florida virtual school) classes. Where normally I would have 2 electives, I only have my core (math, history, etc...) classes, and do the 2 electives online. It's pretty common in S. Florida, so the school district had an idea of what to do.

thank you very much.

[tball2day]

Originally Posted by ac10splyr

Unfortunately all these posts have evaded the topic :*( , I asked in a non academy environment for a high level junior who is homeschooled
Homeschooling in general is a whole different topic

I don't think we know what the question is. You have a high level junior that plays out of a club but does not attend a FT academy. I know three kids off the top doing that (not working together, way different in ages boys/girls). I would say two are completely normal kids, one is a total momma's boy (to an embarrassing degree). What is your question? How to get them the tennis they need? Can you clarify?

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by maggmaster

You can sit the AP exam the following year, you don't even need to take a class to sit those exams. I took 4 exams that my school didn't offer classes for and got credit for all 4 with self study.

Yes, but it will be a year away from when he takes the class, so he will have to study again. I don't think it is worth it. I want him to take the class again in college, not get credit for it through AP, because of its fundamental importance.

[ac10splyr]

Originally Posted by tball2day

I don't think we know what the question is. You have a high level junior that plays out of a club but does not attend a FT academy. I know three kids off the top doing that (not working together, way different in ages boys/girls). I would say two are completely normal kids, one is a total momma's boy (to an embarrassing degree). What is your question? How to get them the tennis they need? Can you clarify?

Yes right on, sorry
I was just interested to see how the kids supplement training considering no other kids around. Also how successful they are doing so? Rankins\tournaments? ...Do they have the kids just play adults or just privates in the morning and clinics in the afternoon? And have they seen considerable improvements since starting homeschool..,

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by Alohajrtennis

This is an area where the world is radically changing, so the Harvard coach may not just be in synch with program yet. There have been enormous progress in technology, and the materials. Most states accredit programs that allow 'home schools' to get a state high school degree, not just a GED, and many offer these programs themselves. Many Ivy league schools actually have huge financial interests in growing this market as they are looking to leverage their brands, content, capabilities to get a piece of it. They do not have a financial interest in disparaging it.

Ten years ago, it would be very difficult for a student to get a home schooled education equal to that of a top flight public school without an enormous commitment of time from the parents, and even then, it would be questionable. Ten years from now, the opposite will be true, and at a fraction of the cost. We are really just in early stages of an education revolution.

Pennsylvania Department of Education actually sponsors a dozen cyber charter schools. It's free.
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal...r_schools/7356

My son is very advanced in his math. He is taking linear algebra offered by Johns Hopkins on-line in his study hall. He has to email his home work to an actual teacher. He actually spent a couple of hours on his math in hotel room in October, when we were stuck in Atlanta and his school was closed thanks to Sandy. So, with proper adult supervision, our kids should be able to learn most of what a regular school offers, at home. Labs are the only exception though.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by sureshs

Interesting you mentioned AP Chem. My son took Honors Chem last year, the school will not let him to AP Chem again because they don't want him to hog two science slots a year (AP Bio this year, AP Phy next year). So I am going to have him do AP Chem in a private special school (it is basically one office suite with the kitchen as a lab) next summer. It is one block from where we live. He will get a transcript but cannot write the AP exam, because it is not offered in summer. I don't care about that because he will already have 2 APs going into the senior year. I might be shelling out $4000 for this summer AP course. It is a 1 one 1 setting and flexible timings.

Something along these lines should make home schooling easier for labs. Or of course the charter schools which offer some days of regular schooling a week - labs can be squeezed in there. Though I don't know how many have the infrastructure for an AP science course.

My son also took Honor Chem last year. His school allows him to double up sciences, AP Chem and AP Phys this year, because he took BYU's US History on-line in the summer. We paid a few hundreds for this course. I never asked if a home schooled kid is allowed to take labs in a regular school - I would think its likely.

[Chemist]

Originally Posted by ac10splyr

Yes right on, sorry
I was just interested to see how the kids supplement training considering no other kids around. Also how successful they are doing so? Rankins\tournaments? ...Do they have the kids just play adults or just privates in the morning and clinics in the afternoon? And have they seen considerable improvements since starting homeschool..,

http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/E...2011_V2pdf.pdf

The attached table shows a junior ranked top 150 in 18s nationally would be equivalent to a 6.0 player. You may ask the members of your club if they like to hit with your kid. They would be more likely to play a junior girl. Unless they are really good, like 5.0 and relatively young, under 40, they would not have fun playing junior boys who are ranked, say, top 500 in B18. Boys are a lot tougher than girls. I saw a #400 senior boy beat #40 senior girl like 6-2/6-2.

With private in the morning and clinics in the afternoon, it appears that your kid won't have much time for school, home-school.

[ac10splyr]

Originally Posted by Chemist

http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/E...2011_V2pdf.pdf

The attached table shows a junior ranked top 150 in 18s nationally would be equivalent to a 6.0 player. You may ask the members of your club if they like to hit with your kid. They would be more likely to play a junior girl. Unless they are really good, like 5.0 and relatively young, under 40, they would not have fun playing junior boys who are ranked, say, top 500 in B18. Boys are a lot tougher than girls. I saw a #400 senior boy beat #40 senior girl like 6-2/6-2.

With private in the morning and clinics in the afternoon, it appears that your kid won't have much time for school, home-school.

Thank you for the answer and example, I don't have a kid that plays or is homeschooled, just know of one and was interested. And buly the way, he does have plenty of time for school, 4 hours of tennis/conditioning allows for plenty of time for studies which should still come first!
And he is only 11 and in the 6th grade I believe, chance to excellerate his learning and progress in tennis

[ac10splyr]

And I would say is he equivalent to a 4.0-4.5 at the club by the way