Does 4G suck? Are we getting 14g?

[Power Player]

4G is a poly, so ...no...lol.

Or what do you mean exactly?

The only multi I have used even close at all (and not really) to a poly is RIP Control.

Maybe Lux Adrenaline?

[wrxinsc]

Originally Posted by srvnvly

I checked out the page for 4G 16L, and at the bottom, under Similar Items to Consider, is Tourna Poly Big Hitter Blue (http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Tour...UE-UBHB17.html) - in anyone's experience, is this similar to the 4g?

no needsmore

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by Power Player

Few things:

Go to google and search by typing "talk tennis" and then what you want to read. Its a game changer.

Second - this stuff for me is the real deal. I have some video posted if you are curious how I hit. Anyway, it is a control string that is suprising durable and only loses a total of 5 pounds of tension for me.

GENIUS!!!!!

Link to video?

How long does 4g last for compared to ALU, BBO, or Ashaway 16?

J

[TimothyO]

Originally Posted by polytheist

How about 17 gauge? I think 1.20 will be money.

Ditto!

10char

[DonBot]

Originally Posted by Power Player

Few things:

Go to google and search by typing "talk tennis" and then what you want to read. Its a game changer.

Second - this stuff for me is the real deal. I have some video posted if you are curious how I hit. Anyway, it is a control string that is suprising durable and only loses a total of 5 pounds of tension for me.

I agree this is a low powered string, but maybe I should be saying I love how heavy my ball is instead of using the word power. I feel like the ball just explodes off the string bed and will stay in not matter how hard I swing.

[Power Player]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

GENIUS!!!!!

Link to video?

How long does 4g last for compared to ALU, BBO, or Ashaway 16?

J

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ottAYQ0BABY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMkB-gjq_4Q



Excuse my lazy dropping left hand. Video helped me see I had to fix that...

ALU lasted me 5 hours or so before death. 4G lasts me twice as long. I measured the tension maintenance loss from off my stringer to death and the bed only lost 5 pounds. I cross with synthetic gut and use an 18x20 Blade, so keep that in mind. String breakage is not as big of an issue as it was for me with more open patterns.

BBO - same thing. Dies after 5-6 hours and then breaks or just bugs the arm.

4G may move on you after 6 hours or do (possibly - depends on the cross) but just keeps going. You will know when it is dead because your control will go away, but you will see it coming from a mile away and have already switched to a fresh stick.

[canny]

how does it compare to a full bed of lux adren?

[AlfaAce]

Originally Posted by TimothyO

Far more durable and comfortable than BBO. Outstanding tension maintenance, comparable to natural gut.

Most attractive aspect to me is its control. NOTHING else comes close when used as a cross with gut mains.

I have two frames strung with VS/4G and the third is used to compare other poly crosses. All frames are matched for weight, balance, and SW.

Repeatedly I've tried a different cross, many with which I was pleased prior to 4G's release. In every case I go right back to 4G. Nothing else inspires such confidence in my strokes.

It's definitely low powered, especially as it ages. Even then it still retains some pop and isn't uncomfortable.

It lacks the spin potential of other polys which is the one reason I'm willing to keep dorking around with other polys. And yet as a cross with gut mains I still get excellent spin.

There has been much hype around 4G, especially the "good as gold" tag line. In this case, it really is accurate imo. It's NOT for everyone. If you prefer lower power and tons of control you'll fall in love with it. If you want power and maybe more spin, you might be disappointed.

For me, it's my Broke Back String. "I just can't quit it!"

That being said, what is the real advantage then of "Nat Gut/4G" vs. a full bed of Nat Gut??? (Besides the cost).

[JonnyAbs]

Originally Posted by AlfaAce

That being said, what is the real advantage then of "Nat Gut/4G" vs. a full bed of Nat Gut??? (Besides the cost).

The full nat gut would give you more power, but possibly too much. The 4G would help to tame some of that. I also believe that the 4G would yield more spin and control. Nat gut is the ultimate in power/comfort.

[Rjtennis]

4G is a decent string, but it isn't for your everyday club player. It's a pretty average string across the board except it has great control and tension maintenance. Personally I'd rather pick a less expensive string and string more frequently, but I can see how it would be a great string for some. Mixing it with gut might liven it up and make it more interesting for me, but that's an expensive setup.

[SteveI]

Originally Posted by Rjtennis

4G is a decent string, but it isn't for your everyday club player. It's a pretty average string across the board except it has great control and tension maintenance. Personally I'd rather pick a less expensive string and string more frequently, but I can see how it would be a great string for some. Mixing it with gut might liven it up and make it more interesting for me, but that's an expensive setup.

Pretty much nailed it.. Not really a string for the masses. A very average string in many ways expect for control and tension maintenance. A high end users string that comes along with a high price. You would have to be a very strong and hard hitting player to get the best attributes from this string.

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by AlfaAce

That being said, what is the real advantage then of "Nat Gut/4G" vs. a full bed of Nat Gut??? (Besides the cost).

**Answer not specific to 4g**

If you swing mostly flat, if power/accuracy are the more important aspects of your game, if you volley or hit improvised shots more often, you will likely be better off with a full bed of gut.

If spin generation is a big part of your game, if your ball dips, shoots, or jumps, you will likely be better off with the blend.

The full bed will put more forward oomph (technical term) on the ball since the stringbed will give more horizontally as the full gut bed pockets the ball.

The blend will give more spin as the poly crosses hold the line more and the gut mains slide up and down against them.

This is just a very basic recommendation, and you should try both and see what you like as both are top tier stringjobs.

Personally, I volley better with poly than with gut, because I am used to it, and have been doing it for years.

The vast majority of players are better off with full gut; the boards understate just how much gut bites and how much spin you can get with it (also Kevlar) I can hit more spin with VS than with half the jive polys out there. *Cough* Solinco *Cough*

J

[J011yroger]

Yes, I used a semicolon for something other than to make a 'winky face'.

J

[TimothyO]

Originally Posted by AlfaAce

That being said, what is the real advantage then of "Nat Gut/4G" vs. a full bed of Nat Gut??? (Besides the cost).

- spin potential: I've tested full bed VS versus VS/4G hybrid in matched frames and the hybrid blows away full bed in spin potential. It's not even close. Others have tried the same experiment and reported the same result. There are other poly crosses that provide even greater spin with gut mains but they lack in other areas such as control and tension maintenance.

- reduced power: full gut is fairly powerful. Combined with its lower spin potential controlling shot depth can be an issue unless strung at higher tensions which sort of defeats one of full gut's greatest advantages: comfort. Adding 4G crosses to the equation you tame the power of the gut while retaining or even enhancing its comfort since you can string at a lower tension.

Balancing far higher spin potential and lower power/greater depth control is the disadvantage of gut/poly: reduced life span. Even 4G feels bad after a while or will cut through the softer gut mains. In either case the sb won't last as long as full gut.

That being said it seems like 4G is deliberately engineered as a cross for natural gut. It shares gut's three greatest features: super low tension loss, great control, and comfort. And since gut mains with poly crosses is one of the lowest friction string beds you can have, the two strings work together to enhance spin potential.

So 4G crosses remain playable far longer than other poly crosses.

I've tried numerous poly crosses, many in head to head tests with 4G since its introduction. 4G gets beat in spin potential but even then it still provides outstanding spin AND it's just light years ahead of other poly crosses in extended playability, comfort, control, and freakishly low tension loss.

As of yesterday I've given up testing other poly crosses and will be sticking with 4G until something new comes along to test. All three of my frames are now strung with 4G crosses, two at the same reference tension of 55/51 and the third at an experimental reference tension of 53/48.

As it turns out Last night I hit with the 53/48 frame felt it was a little mushy compared to the other frames once broken in. Will probably stick to 55/51. And it looks like I'll need to restring that frame anyway. Last night the head guard on the 53/48 frame shattered. I don't even remember hitting the ground with it. I never throw my frames or abuse them deliberately. One moment it's fine, the next I see the head guard shattered and flopping around! Doh!

[TimothyO]

Originally Posted by Rjtennis

4G is a decent string, but it isn't for your everyday club player. It's a pretty average string across the board except it has great control and tension maintenance. Personally I'd rather pick a less expensive string and string more frequently, but I can see how it would be a great string for some. Mixing it with gut might liven it up and make it more interesting for me, but that's an expensive setup.

But if you're stringing more frequently you might be spending more money in the end.

One of the great advantages of full gut is its longevity. It gets better with age until it finally breaks. For most rec players gut is probably the MOST economical choice since it remains very control oriented over its very long life span. The initial cost is higher but over time it's actually much cheaper than other strings.

As for VS/4G the 4G addresses one of the worst aspects of what I call Gut/Poly Hell: the poly crosses die well before the gut mains and you feel like you're wasting money on the gut. It's just that nothing else provides the unique feel and playing qualities of gut/poly. So at last we have a poly cross that at least approaches gut's extended playability and control over time while also providing higher spin potential.

Poly crosses such as Solinco Outlast and MSV CoFocus were favorites of mine. But once I tested them in matched frames against 4G crosses the contrast was astounding. The loss in control due to tension loss was just too great compared to 4G crosses in soite of their higher spin potential. With other CHEAPER polys I was spending MORE money due to more frequent stringings.

I don't string myself (yet) so a frame costs me about $30 in string and $20 for labor. That $50 approaches the $80 I paid for the frames themselves! But compared to other polys I save money by stringing less frequently which probably breaks even in materials but eliminates a number of labor charges which is huge.

[srvnvly]

Originally Posted by Power Player

4G is a poly, so ...no...lol.

Or what do you mean exactly?

The only multi I have used even close at all (and not really) to a poly is RIP Control.

Maybe Lux Adrenaline?

Yes, LOL, I didn't ask the right question. I currently use a full bed multi, have not experimented with a hybrid setup, and have stayed from poly for arm-saving reasons. Maybe I should ask this: Is there any poly/co-poly that would play like a multi, such as X-1, or NXT Tour? My guy says its a stretch, and I will probably stick with a multi, but "ya' nevah know."

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by srvnvly

Yes, LOL, I didn't ask the right question. I currently use a full bed multi, have not experimented with a hybrid setup, and have stayed from poly for arm-saving reasons. Maybe I should ask this: Is there any poly/co-poly that would play like a multi, such as X-1, or NXT Tour? My guy says its a stretch, and I will probably stick with a multi, but "ya' nevah know."

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Paci...IC-PXF16L.html

Feels great, pockets great, volleys great.

That is your best bet as far as I am concerned.

J

[J011yroger]

^^^ Should be very easy on your arm as well.

J

[srvnvly]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

^^^ Should be very easy on your arm as well.

J

Thank you, I like what I've read in the link. Also, your signature is one of the best movie lines EVER!

[JonnyAbs]

Originally Posted by srvnvly

Yes, LOL, I didn't ask the right question. I currently use a full bed multi, have not experimented with a hybrid setup, and have stayed from poly for arm-saving reasons. Maybe I should ask this: Is there any poly/co-poly that would play like a multi, such as X-1, or NXT Tour? My guy says its a stretch, and I will probably stick with a multi, but "ya' nevah know."

He mentioned Rip Control. I am not familiar with that, but I was thinking Wilson NXT Control, and they might be very similar. NXT Control is a multi-filament with both nylon and poly strands so you can get good control,spin, and durability due to the polyester and its still comfortable because of the nylon. You also wouldn't have to use it in a hybrid setup either, but you could if you wanted to.