Does 4G suck? Are we getting 14g?

[Power Player]

Originally Posted by SteveI

Pretty much nailed it.. Not really a string for the masses. A very average string in many ways expect for control and tension maintenance. A high end users string that comes along with a high price. You would have to be a very strong and hard hitting player to get the best attributes from this string.

I agree with this. I think many people who playtested this string were expecting extra spin and magic to help their games. This string is better if you create your own spin and power and want great control and tension maintenance. It is not a string for people who cant generate heavy spin on their own. Basically, if you cant hit with pretty big spin using syn gut, 4g is not for you.

I do think 4g will be a very good match for jo11ys game, but there are other subjective things that only he will know once he uses it.

[J011yroger]

My two main criteria are bites really hard, lasts really long.

Don't give a crap about tension maintenance, comfort, power, or anything else.

J

[Power Player]

It doesnt bite as hard as alu power.

That being said if you hit hard, it is going to be extremely rewarding for you.

[tennistomcat]

Originally Posted by Power Player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ottAYQ0BABY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMkB-gjq_4Q



Excuse my lazy dropping left hand. Video helped me see I had to fix that...

ALU lasted me 5 hours or so before death. 4G lasts me twice as long. I measured the tension maintenance loss from off my stringer to death and the bed only lost 5 pounds. I cross with synthetic gut and use an 18x20 Blade, so keep that in mind. String breakage is not as big of an issue as it was for me with more open patterns.

BBO - same thing. Dies after 5-6 hours and then breaks or just bugs the arm.

4G may move on you after 6 hours or do (possibly - depends on the cross) but just keeps going. You will know when it is dead because your control will go away, but you will see it coming from a mile away and have already switched to a fresh stick.

Strokes are looking solid PP. Good hitting with the blade. Your hitting partner looks to be having a bit of trouble the pace on your shot.

I've got a set of 4G 1.25 lying around collecting dust but may string up my rad pro with it when the adrenaline dies & see what's it's all about. My shot trajectory seems kinda similar to yours but with much less pace. I'm tempted to give it a whirl.

Thanks for posting your video

[Overheadsmash]

I have the 1.25 strung full bed at 50 lbs in a Dunlop Aerogel 4D 500 Tour and I love it. Great spin, great feel, plenty of power for me.

[J011yroger]

Trying to think of what tension I would string 4g mains and ALUr Crosses.

I string Kevlar/ALUr at #70, Full ALUr at #70, and BBO/ALUr at #50 (Might try 48 next just for the hell of it).

I've strung pretty much every string I have ever used really tight, but BBO just looooves being strung loose.

I HATE tight BBO, it is just awful.

J

[wrxinsc]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

Trying to think of what tension I would string 4g mains and ALUr Crosses.

I string Kevlar/ALUr at #70, Full ALUr at #70, and BBO/ALUr at #50 (Might try 48 next just for the hell of it).

I've strung pretty much every string I have ever used really tight, but BBO just looooves being strung loose.

I HATE tight BBO, it is just awful.

J

I am at 48 mains now for the 'cold' season here in SC. Haven't had a chance to hit yet with the holidays. Will be playing a lot this week so will report back.

4g is very stiff and low powered. But I have had it as high as 55# when I first switched to it over the summer. Still good feel but I think I'll like the lower tension better, esp. in the cold.

[J011yroger]

Originally Posted by wrxinsc

I am at 48 mains now for the 'cold' season here in SC. Haven't had a chance to hit yet with the holidays. Will be playing a lot this week so will report back.

4g is very stiff and low powered. But I have had it as high as 55# when I first switched to it over the summer. Still good feel but I think I'll like the lower tension better, esp. in the cold.

Thanks much.

J

[tlm]

I have tried the 4G for the first time the last couple of days and really like it. I am using full job and I noticed no difference from yesterday to today, same feel same control.

I did not notice that it is not spin friendly or to low powered. To me it was a perfect blend of power spin and control, with a really sweet feel to it. I have been looking for a poly to replace the kevlar hybrid that I have been using.

Other polys would not give good enough control on my rebel 98, at least not after the first day they wouldn't. That is why I have been using a arm breaking kevlar hybrid which I want to get rid of.

The 4G gives the great control without the nasty harshness, plus it feels great with very good power and spin. This is a special string I believe, I will know for sure with a little more hitting with it.

[J011yroger]

Friend just gave me a set, I will likely test it out in the next week or two.

J

[heartattack]

im a 4.0 using 325's. what tension should i go to w/ 4G 17g?

[Torres]

4G is the stiffest poly I have ever played with.

Stiffer than Babolat Revenge, stiffer than Alu Rough etc.

Hard, hard, hard string on the arm and you feel accumulating wear on the arm over several weeks of hitting.

Borne out by subjective testing and the TW/RSI stiffness numbers, which are in the stratosphere. 1.40mm is going to be an arm breaker.

Alu is ALOT nicer even though it doesn't last very long. Much prefer Alu's crispness as well over 4G's dull feel.

[SteveI]

Originally Posted by Torres

4G is the stiffest poly I have ever played with.

Stiffer than Babolat Revenge, stiffer than Alu Rough etc.

Hard, hard, hard string on the arm and you feel accumulating wear on the arm over several weeks of hitting.

Borne out by subjective testing and the TW/RSI stiffness numbers, which are in the stratosphere.

Alu is ALOT nicer even though it doesn't last very long. Much prefer Alu's crispness as well over 4G's dull feel.

A very interesting string. I never felt that the string was playing that stiff. Very muted and with low power output. When playtesting it, I was getting outstanding control but no free power at all. I was playtesting it in a hybrid set-up with a soft syn gut cross at pretty much my normal tension. String played very dull and I was having very little impact on the other side of the net. I am sure a very hard swinging younger player would love this string, but I am not able to take advantage of what this string has to offer. I just hit a few balls with a frame that had the playtest strings installed. Tension is still holding up much better than any poly I have ever used. Just not a good match for my wallet or game.

[mrmike]

Just tried a hybrid of Micronite (multi) and 4G at 55/52 in my C10 Pro and it plays quite good. I am usually a full multi user but wanted to add a little more control to the setup. If you are thinking about a gut / 4G hybrid, a high end multi is another way to reap the benefits at a little lower cost.

[SteveI]

Originally Posted by mrmike

Just tried a hybrid of Micronite (multi) and 4G at 55/52 in my C10 Pro and it plays quite good. I am usually a full multi user but wanted to add a little more control to the setup. If you are thinking about a gut / 4G hybrid, a high end multi is another way to reap the benefits at a little lower cost.

Can't see using the 4G as a cross with Gut. The cost of the 4G does not make sense to when you are just trying to reduce the power of gut. To each his own...

[Gtech]

I have tried 4G twice with different strings in between. I won't use it again. Hard on the arm and no free power. I hit the ball hard and I am used to polys that give you that extra snap when hitting a hard serve or flattening out a ground stroke, this string does not give that. And maybe that was the design goal, a string that behaves exactly the same no matter how hard you hit it.
But in summary, to hard on the arm and no benefit to my game. I'll stick with Genesis Black Magic.

[tlm]

Originally Posted by J011yroger

Trying to think of what tension I would string 4g mains and ALUr Crosses.

I string Kevlar/ALUr at #70, Full ALUr at #70, and BBO/ALUr at #50 (Might try 48 next just for the hell of it).

I've strung pretty much every string I have ever used really tight, but BBO just looooves being strung loose.

I HATE tight BBO, it is just awful.

J

I like high tension also, I use a prince rebel and with full poly set ups like dunlop BW or yonex PTS I string at 68-70 lbs. My first set of 17g. 4G I went with 67 lbs. and it played really nice.

I did not notice that it was super low powered or dead and stiff like some claimed. It had great feel, good control and spin and plenty of power. My next set I tried 70lbs. and it was okay but I liked the 67lbs. better. After hitting with it over 4 times it still plays very nice, has not went from great to crap like alu does.

[arche3]

4G 16g is the best cross I've used for 16g vs gut mains. Its the best control and spin setup. No negatives. Good controlled power when you need it. Spin when you need it. This hybrid is in all my sticks now. Da best.

[Torres]

Originally Posted by SteveI

Can't see using the 4G as a cross with Gut.

It's not that great. Simple as that. Alu as a cross blows 4G out of the water in terms of stringbed performance. Crisper, better feeling (compared to 4G's dull feel) and allows the gut to slide better for more spin.

[Torres]

Originally Posted by Gtech

I have tried 4G twice with different strings in between. I won't use it again. Hard on the arm and no free power. I hit the ball hard and I am used to polys that give you that extra snap when hitting a hard serve or flattening out a ground stroke, this string does not give that. And maybe that was the design goal, a string that behaves exactly the same no matter how hard you hit it.

You've pretty much summed up 4G. Stiff, hard, consistent, but on/off power characteristics and not particuarly spin orientated. You could get a similar thing from other polys costing 1/3 of the price.