Pacific Classic 1.25 x MSV Co-Focus 1.18

[canny]

Well, I play with all my poly high anyways. MSV focus hex 17g I played around a 57 in a full bed. Full vs team I played at 58 and felt like I should go higher so I adjust my hybrids accordingly. But im excited and way ahead of you hahaha. But the string left over I'll probably string up myself at a different tension depending on how this playtest goes.

[The Big Kahuna]

Originally Posted by canny

Was gonna try this. But since Im ordering the new extreme from tennis warehouse I decided to get it strung 60 pounds klip 18g in the mains and 58 pounds of yonex poly spin in the crosses. Im pretty excited. In theory should produce a boat load of spin especially with the extreme. But I also know theoretically the durability should be terrible. But we'll see.

Generally, I think the consensus would be not to string your poly crosses above 48 lbs. Over that number, the poly can become overstretched and actually lose control and spin. There are a number of articles on this and is supported by many in the string industry (G&G for one).

Beyond this, this set-up sounds like murder on your arm.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by The Big Kahuna

Generally, I think the consensus would be not to string your poly crosses above 48 lbs. Over that number, the poly can become overstretched and actually lose control and spin. There are a number of articles on this and is supported by many in the string industry (G&G for one).

Beyond this, this set-up sounds like murder on your arm.

Lol as much as I hope we're wrong, I can't help but think this too.

Canny, if you're willing to do an experiment, string up your next stringjob 10 lbs lower and compare. Otherwise you might have to put a lot of unnecessary effort into all your shots!

[canny]

Nope... Don't have arm pain (play golf everyday and gym every other) and that's where I like my polys. There are plenty of high level and professional players who string polys in the 50's and soft Co-polys? 46 is completely unnecessary unless that is your preference. You have your gut at 50, some like the 60's Everyone has their preference. There's also plenty of science that says a stiffer string bed flattens the ball out more, imparting more spin and because there's more ball surface area on the string bed.

But maybe I'll see. Like I said I prefer my polys high. I like muscling the ball into the court and taking a nice big cut. full beds of focus hex for me at 46 was god awful. 54 and normal tension drop is my limit. I have a full bed of lux adren at 56 and Feel like I could have went a tad tighter.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by canny

There's also plenty of science that says a stiffer string bed flattens the ball out more imparting more spin and surface area on the string bed.

Um . . . that's not how spin is imparted. Spin is imparted by your mains deflecting upon impact, sliding along your crosses, and then snapping back. That snap back is vital, and gut mains are used because they're the most elastic material available. Accordingly, anything that reduces the friction between the mains and crosses -- such as thinner gauges or looser tensions -- ought to facilitate more spin.

But give it a whirl and see how you feel.

[canny]

Originally Posted by Smasher08

Um . . . that's not how spin is imparted. Spin is imparted by your mains deflecting upon impact, sliding along your crosses, and then snapping back. That snap back is vital, and gut mains are used because they're the most elastic material available. Accordingly, anything that reduces the friction between the mains and crosses -- such as thinner gauges or looser tensions -- ought to facilitate more spin.

But give it a whirl and see how you feel.

I know its imparted that way therefore the more surface area on the balls that comes into contact with the mains the more that effect occurs. It's like pocketing. Yadda yadda I know that stringing poly high supposedly reduces its elasticity quicker but I string regurally and I have just a long stroke. poly at low tensions just feels uncontrollable to me. I have to shorten my swing to much and apply more topspin on the ball. I prefer to hit a heavy ball with mod spin. Then have access to that easy flat ball.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by canny

Yadda yadda I know that stringing poly high supposedly reduces its elasticity quicker but I string regurally and I have just a long stroke. poly at low tensions just feels uncontrollable to me.

Alright chief, I'm totally curious now. Can you post any video of your strokes??

[Smasher08]

I'm reminded of this old post from 2009:

Originally Posted by Lindsay

Not too many prestretches at the Open, some with gut. I string for several Pro Circuit events throughout the year and I've charted tensions from various countries. The rule of thumb I've found is, if the player is American, expect their tension to be nearly 10 pounds higher than an international player. Of course, this isn't the gold standard and there are major exceptions, but its pretty close.

Edit: From 5 womens events and 3 mens events this summer, Americans are 8.3 pounds higher than everyone else.

[canny]

Originally Posted by Smasher08

I'm reminded of this old post from 2009:

Hahaha. Sure ive been meaning to. Honeslty im not gonna lie I culd be use unnecessary force to get the ball in but I like it that way. anyways setup should arrive new years. So expect for some reviews next week. Has there been a break in period for the cofocus gut brids? If so how long?

[newyorkstadium]

Originally Posted by newyorkstadium

When trying different polys, should I use the TWU tension loss tool? If I use a poly that has less tension loss then co-focus , is this a good/bad thing? What if it had more tension loss?

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[newyorkstadium]

Originally Posted by newyorkstadium

When trying different polys, should I use the TWU tension loss tool? If I use a poly that has less tension loss then co-focus , is this a good/bad thing? What if it had more tension loss?

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[canny]

Hit with it ( klip 18g cut at 60 and Yonex poly tour spin at 58 ) for two hours yesterday. For this new racquet im going to have to drop my tension lower than im use too. But the first 2 hours were so so. I'll admit I strung it too high. It felt plush and fine still. But I think the poly was too tight. But after two hours of hitting and the string bed loosening up and settling in I got more ball pocketing it was very impressive. The amount of spin I was getting on my serves was very noticeable. Comparable or even better than a full bed of MSV hex. I'll hit with it again today and have a better judgement on its performance. Next set I'll string up 58/53 or so.

[canny]

Hit a again today with temps that were about 12 degrees or so warmer bed felt alot nicer. I cant give an exact fair review on this setup because of the change in heavier racquet but my ground strokes are really iffy. Im hitting the ball long which im really not use too. But if I generate serious racquet head speed every shot I produce very heavy deep balls.

Im gonna play around with some Lead and give this setup another test tomorrow. Should get a better feel for what tension I prefer.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by canny

Next set I'll string up 58/53 or so.

Try 55x50. Looser means more spin, and the trick with this setup is to find out what is too loose for you, rather than the other way around.

If you find shots going long, be prepared to close your racket face more during your strokes to generate more spin.

In the meantime, enjoy!

[canny]

Originally Posted by Smasher08

Try 55x50. Looser means more spin, and the trick with this setup is to find out what is too loose for you, rather than the other way around.

If you find shots going long, be prepared to close your racket face more during your strokes to generate more spin.

In the meantime, enjoy!

yea ill go 55/50. Thanks for the tip! Really hoping I can find a nice medium.

[The Big Kahuna]

Smasher, I am curious to know if you've tried any other mains in this hybrid other than Pacific Classic 1.25 it's that you really thought was comparable? As it is been raining a lot here and the gut is very sensitive to moisture I was tempted recently to try some multifilament see how they might perform in the place of Pacific

I tried The top-rated multifilament string on stringform.com based on over 30 playtest by professionals and was very pleasantly surprised to find that it was very comparable in terms of performance. The string, Weiss CANNON 6 Star Supercharged 16 (1.30) Played very much like Pacific Classic in many ways with perhaps a 10% drop off in performance in the areas of spin, comfort, feel, and power. That said the price of the string is about $10 as opposed to Pacific Classic's $30.

It also seems to hold its tension as well so far as good, although I would think that that would not be the case over time. Have you been tempted to switch to a high-performance multifilament as opposed to the natural gut for the cost savings versus performance obtained through the extra expense? Curious to know your thinking of late.

[The Big Kahuna]

Originally Posted by canny

yea ill go 55/50. Thanks for the tip! Really hoping I can find a nice medium.

I think Smasher would agree with these General String Facts:

* Lower string tensions generate more power (providing string movement does not occur).
* Higher string tensions generate more ball control (for experienced players).
* A longer string (or string plane area) produces more power.
* Decreased string density (fewer strings) generates more power.
* Thinner string generates more power.*
* More elastic strings generate more power. (Generally, what will produce more power will also absorb more shock load at impact.)
* Softer strings, or strings with a softer coating, tend to vibrate less.
* Thinner strings tend to produce more spin.
* Decreased string density (fewer strings) generates more spin.
* The more elastic the string, the more tension loss in the racquet after the string job.**

The thicker the string the softer (16 gauge suggested).

In general: Play with the thinnest string that you can which meets your criteria for durability. If you are not breaking 16, try 17, not breaking 17 try 18. If you find that your ball is landing short with the thinner gague string, first try to reclaim your depth by string tension before reverting back to your old thicker gague string.

When looking for your tension, you are going after two things, and depending on how serious of a player you are, you are going to choose one over the other, to be your primary focus.

Depth, yes, I know, broken record, dead horse. Depth, is key. You need to find a tension that allows you to take a nice smooth even swing at the ball, and have it land deep. String tighter to shorten up your ball, string looser to get it deeper.

Feel, the second thing, some people like the way a firm stringbed feels, some people like the way a soft stringbed feels. Stiff stringbeds, tight stringing etc, are harder on people with arm injuries so that is a consideration, as well. Feel also has a lot to do with targeting, and accuracy, especially volleying. Most feel that stringing tighter helps with this, but I feel having something that you feel comfortable with will serve you better, and give you better accuracy and control than just randomly stringing tighter.

[Smasher08]

Originally Posted by The Big Kahuna

Smasher, I am curious to know if you've tried any other mains in this hybrid other than Pacific Classic 1.25 it's that you really thought was comparable? As it is been raining a lot here and the gut is very sensitive to moisture I was tempted recently to try some multifilament see how they might perform in the place of Pacific

I tried The top-rated multifilament string on stringform.com based on over 30 playtest by professionals and was very pleasantly surprised to find that it was very comparable in terms of performance. The string, Weiss CANNON 6 Star Supercharged 16 (1.30) Played very much like Pacific Classic in many ways with perhaps a 10% drop off in performance in the areas of spin, comfort, feel, and power. That said the price of the string is about $10 as opposed to Pacific Classic's $30.

It also seems to hold its tension as well so far as good, although I would think that that would not be the case over time. Have you been tempted to switch to a high-performance multifilament as opposed to the natural gut for the cost savings versus performance obtained through the extra expense? Curious to know your thinking of late.

Hey BK!

I've been searching for a good backup for wet days. Still searching, but I found a few setups that were ok.

Isospeed Energetic 17 played fantastic at first in a hybrid with CoF. But as it aged it rapidly lost spinniness. So I tried fullbed Energetic and found it didn't have the same liveliness it had at first in hybrid. It played somewhat like Rip Control -- three years go I would have loved it, but muted feeling stringbeds aren't my thing anymore. And curiously I found it played stiffer than when crossed with CoF. I'll probably give it a few more chances though.

I also tried OGSM 17 with CoF crosss and hated it. Gamma syngut 17 full-bed was ok. Pro's Pro Kingut really disappointed me.

I think if I wanted to save some coin, I'd try out some budget gut just because there's still no replicating gut's elasticity. But I saw 6 Star back in 2011 when I was trying out TurboTwist and was definitely intrigued. At $10 that's a pretty good price. Have you thought of posting a formal review??

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by The Big Kahuna

Smasher, I am curious to know if you've tried any other mains in this hybrid other than Pacific Classic 1.25 it's that you really thought was comparable? As it is been raining a lot here and the gut is very sensitive to moisture I was tempted recently to try some multifilament see how they might perform in the place of Pacific.

In case you care, I ordered a set of KLIP Legend Tour and KLIP Armour Pro (both 17g) last week. I plan on hitting w/ both and writing up a review, using Pacific Classic (my normal mains) as a baseline.

Both KLIP strings are supposed to be coated and provide more durability.

[The Big Kahuna]

Originally Posted by McLovin

In case you care, I ordered a set of KLIP Legend Tour and KLIP Armour Pro (both 17g) last week. I plan on hitting w/ both and writing up a review, using Pacific Classic (my normal mains) as a baseline.

Both KLIP strings are supposed to be coated and provide more durability.

I would be very interested to see what your finding are.