Nadal OUT of 2013 Australian Open

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Mustard

Nadal will return when he both wants to return and is able to return. End of. He has given us tonnes of entertainment over the years, and has done it all in the sport in the most thrilling fashion.

And his fans have the right to ditch him if they want to. End of. There is nothing wrong with his fans being tired of getting jerked around. Stay or go; he needs to make up his mind.

[bullfan]

Originally Posted by Mustard

Nadal will return when he both wants to return and is able to return. End of. He has given us tonnes of entertainment over the years, and has done it all in the sport in the most thrilling fashion.

I agree with one exception. Rafa may not return and if he doesn't, then he's had a good run and provided a lot of good viewing for fans. I've enjoyed watching Rafa for years and if he's done, then good for him to have had such a nice career.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by drakulie

lets put it this way, he has been "injured" for 6 months, and still has no clue what the injury is/was/might be,,,,,, I had a knee injury about 8?? years ago. Within a few days had an MRI, X-ray, diagnosis, treatment plan, knee surgery, and recovery plan within two weeks. There is billions of dollars riding on Nadal and his team of doctors, physicians, ATP, ITF, Tournaments, Nike, Babolat, and all his other list of sponosrs still don't know.


......and now, he will be out another two months because he has diarrhea.

Lets get real.

LOLLLLLLLLL! Right to the point.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by dyldore

Edit: A doping ban is two years...so if he has still not played in two years, yeah it might have been doping.

But a silent provisional suspension is not necessarily for two years. Learn the difference.

[dyldore]

Originally Posted by cc0509

But a silent provisional suspension is not necessarily for two years. Learn the difference.

I was unaware that there was such a thing, in the ATP, as a "silent provisional suspension", could you please link me where you found out about these? So that I can learn.

There have been cover-ups (by players) in the past for recreational drugs, but never doping, in any sport, and never by the sporting foundation, only the athletes. Ex. Agassi lied to the ATP about taking meth accidentally.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by dyldore

I was unaware that there was such a thing, in the ATP, as a "silent provisional suspension", could you please link me where you found out about these? So that I can learn.

There have been cover-ups (by players) in the past for recreational drugs, but never doping, in any sport, and never by the sporting foundation, only the athletes. Ex. Agassi lied to the ATP about taking meth accidentally.

"So a silent ban may be an impossibility. Unannounced provisional suspensions, however, happen all the time."

http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Doping...nnection-.aspx

Read the whole article, it is informative.

[big ted]

when rafa implied that he was gearing towards the clay court season, i suppose this withdrawal shouldnt come as too much of a surprise. if his knee isnt 100percent he could risk missing the clay court season which is the only time he really dominates

[dyldore]

Originally Posted by cc0509

"So a silent ban may be an impossibility. Unannounced provisional suspensions, however, happen all the time."

http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Doping...nnection-.aspx

Read the whole article, it is informative.

"In the case of a “guilty verdict,” the charges go public whether the accused is Rafael Nadal or an unknown player ranked 500th in the world according to Miller, who has headed the ITF anti-doping arm since 2006."

"So a silent ban may be an impossibility. Unannounced provisional suspensions, however, happen all the time. Though unlikely, Rafael Nadal could conceivably be serving such a suspension."

At worst, he could be suspended from playing because he is under investigation or fighting an allegation.

However, it could be his arm, or he is really a member of the CIA and is on a mission right now...this type of speculation is ridiculous, and I am just not one of those people who who believes something simply because it has not been proven to be untrue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by dyldore

"In the case of a “guilty verdict,” the charges go public whether the accused is Rafael Nadal or an unknown player ranked 500th in the world according to Miller, who has headed the ITF anti-doping arm since 2006."

"So a silent ban may be an impossibility. Unannounced provisional suspensions, however, happen all the time. Though unlikely, Rafael Nadal could conceivably be serving such a suspension."

At worst, he could be suspended from playing because he is under investigation or fighting an allegation.

However, it could be his arm, or he is really a member of the CIA and is on a mission right now...this type of speculation is ridiculous, and I am just not one of those people who who believes something simply because it has not been proven to be untrue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Read this. Here there are actual sections from the WADA code:

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blog...ive-tests.html

This spells it out. It is NOT ridiculous. Educate yourself.

[Feather]

Originally Posted by Mike Sams

Nadal is certainly afraid of the dark. He's most likely afraid of Djokovic. Nadal was crying in the locker room after the 3rd set during the rain delay at RG. Thinking he was going to lose to Djokovic for a 4th straight time at a Slam. We know Djokovic is on his mind.

No way! I don't think he would cry after losing a set. And Nadal is NOT scared of anyone let alone Djokovic

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by Feather

No way! I don't think he would cry after losing a set. And Nadal is NOT scared of anyone let alone Djokovic

He didn't. Unless Mike Shamalamadingdong can come up with some proof of this I won't believe it.

[dyldore]

Originally Posted by cc0509

Read this. Here there are actual sections from the WADA code:

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blog...ive-tests.html

This spells it out. It is NOT ridiculous. Educate yourself.

Yeah, that's what I said...he may be provisionally suspended while they hold a trial. That can be kept secret. ("...the key word in the above rules is the word "may," meaning that it's up to the governing body to decide whether it wants to disclose.") However, if they find him guilty, it is immediately made public. ("The only mandatory rule is that decisions finding that an anti-doping violation occurred must be made public.")

You don't need to be condescending, I am agreeing with you that it is possible that he may be provisionally suspended. There is no evidence that points specifically to a suspension, though. There are hundreds of things that could cause him to miss this time. For example, a knee injury, or my theory about the CIA...

[NLBwell]

I'm not a doctor and I certainly have no inside knowledge of Nadal's injuries, but this is how I think of them:

If you were given the wish to win a Slam tournament, with the condition that every shot you made, you were hit in the shin with a hammer (it didn't slow you down or hurt your performance, but you experienced a lot of pain) would you do it? Certainly, many of us would choose to do that. However, after the third, or fifth, or eighth, slam title would the pain be worth it to you? Maybe you just would be sick of it and not so excited to go out there again.

Maybe playing just on clay where it wouldn't hurt as bad might be OK with you after a while.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by dyldore

Yeah, that's what I said...he may be provisionally suspended while they hold a trial. That can be kept secret. ("...the key word in the above rules is the word "may," meaning that it's up to the governing body to decide whether it wants to disclose.") However, if they find him guilty, it is immediately made public. ("The only mandatory rule is that decisions finding that an anti-doping violation occurred must be made public.")

You don't need to be condescending, I am agreeing with you that it is possible that he may be provisionally suspended. There is no evidence that points specifically to a suspension, though. There are hundreds of things that could cause him to miss this time. For example, a knee injury, or my theory about the CIA...

What is this about?

[MichaelNadal]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Come on, Mustard. You can't blame MichaelNadal for being at his wits end with Nadal right now. People only have so much patience, and he has already been out nearly 7 months, and it will be 8 months he will have been out if he comes back in February. It's frustrating, especially because Nadal and his camp keep getting his fans hopes up only to crap on them time and time again.

You just summed it all up for me. They keep setting expectations.

[Feather]

Originally Posted by Mustard

If you want players to play a lot longer, into their late 30s and beyond, hardcourt tournaments need to be heavily reduced on the tour.

Not exactly! Make the courts like how it were in the 90s.. Then also there were as many hard courts as there are now. Make Wimbledon fast, speed up US Open, it's six hour long battles that make Tennis a war of attrition and not a sport. Give fair enough chance to attacking players in some tournaments.

If you make it a grind fest in all the tournaments then players will suffer.

[dyldore]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

What is this about?

He has been missing for a few months...that's enough time to do a mission anywhere in the world. It explains why Nadal is more buff than other tennis players, he needs it to be able to climb mountains and fend off baddies. It also explains his early loss in Wimbledon, he had to leave for a mission before July so he couldn't continue in the tournament anyways, he made sure to make it look convincing, though.

My point is that no one on this forum has enough information to say what is going on with Nadal, and that you can make stories fit. The only people who really know what is going on is Nadal and his team, they say it is his knees. You can speculate all you want but that is the only real evidence for anything that is happening with him. Any story beyond that is just as sound as any other, whether it be a suspension, or the CIA, or he's bored of tennis.

[Rocky89]

Bummer news. I'm fed up with getting my hopes up time and time again about his return.

[fps]

When you've been out this long, and you need to get your comeback right hopefully to extend your career and not break down again (and Rafa will be worried about breaking down again physically by the point, no doubt about it), when your main legacy is being the greatest clay court player in history, not being able to train properly before your first tournament back in six months will be a big no-no. I see in the time I've not bothered checking in the levels of idiocy on this forum have continued to rise.

A shame he won't be at the AO, but if he's not able to play at a proper level he doesn't want to do it, and I respect him for that.

[Tennis_Hands]

Originally Posted by veroniquem

Tennis Hands: I meant "sets" of course...

The LOL was due to your choice of period.

But, LOL.