Who would win: 67 Jaguar or 2012 Camaro?

[heycal]

Originally Posted by Dedans Penthouse

heycal, my serious take? An XKE wins hands down in the ownership department particularly one that is in (as you said) "excellent" condition. What color btw?

I would only hope that this could be your 'other' (cruising) ride vs. your every day car especially since it's a convertible - I wouldn't want that bad boy subject to ice/snow and the body subject to de-icing salt.

Oh yeah, the Jaguar is way more desirable than the Camaro. Obvi. And yes, I agree it's a car meant for a weekend spin on the Sprain as opposed to every day Central Ave slugging.

What color? I don't know. What color do you like? (The Camaro is red).

Originally Posted by Bowtiesarecool

Ok, I apologize for upsetting you.

I was very upset to read that. Thank you for apologizing.

Originally Posted by Bowtiesarecool

So then, precisely which '67 jag are you referring to, because they made 3 different cars that year.

European cars are designed for small, winding roads. Assuming drivers of equal skill, the 67 XKE would probably be able to keep up with the much larger and heavier new Camaro in your suburban street race scenario.

Sounds about right.

As for which Jag, which one is the convertible rag top? That one.

[Bowtiesarecool]

Originally Posted by heycal

As for which Jag, which one is the convertible rag top? That one.

The XKE (or, E type) came in coupe and convertible. I consider them to be different cars because convertibles in general, handle very different than their hardtop counterparts and must be built with more structural reinforcements, making them heavier. There is also the MK2, which is the "sedan" that many getaway drivers of the time preferred. An excellent car as well.

[LuckyR]

Originally Posted by heycal

What about the aforementioned guidettes?

Well if you are into gum snappers like DP, then I will defer to his expertise in this area but I prefer women who know quality.

[heycal]

Originally Posted by Bowtiesarecool

The XKE (or, E type) came in coupe and convertible. I consider them to be different cars because convertibles in general, handle very different than their hardtop counterparts and must be built with more structural reinforcements, making them heavier. There is also the MK2, which is the "sedan" that many getaway drivers of the time preferred. An excellent car as well.

This post is useless without pictures.

[Bowtiesarecool]

Originally Posted by heycal

This post is useless without pictures.

How so? You asked which was the convertible. I just explained it was the XKE.

[heycal]

Originally Posted by Bowtiesarecool

How so? You asked which was the convertible. I just explained it was the XKE.

Why can't you provide pictures too?

Separate question: I assume the Jaguar is a polluting gas guzzler of sorts? Yay or nay?

[Mike Bulgakov]

Originally Posted by heycal

What would happen if a 67 Jaguar was trying to chase down a Camaro through suburban streets?

Originally Posted by heycal

I have a reason for asking, but not because of possibly purchasing either of them.

Heycal, are you writing a screenplay? You are not stalking a woman who drives a Camaro, I hope.

[Bowtiesarecool]

Originally Posted by heycal

Why can't you provide pictures too?

Because you have internet and fingers. Google it yourself.

[Mick]

when I was younger, I loved the Ferrari Testarossa. I told myself, one day I would buy that car. Now that I can afford it, I am against the idea of buying a 25 year old car but you are contemplating about buying a 46 year old car

[heycal]

Originally Posted by Bowtiesarecool

Because you have internet and fingers. Google it yourself.

Are you nutso? I don't know how to google something like that.

[Bowtiesarecool]

Originally Posted by heycal

Are you nutso? I don't know how to google something like that.

You knew how to click my name and read through my threads to find something boring when you were upset that I initially called this thread ridiculous but, don't know how to google, "1967 Jaguar"?

[heycal]

Originally Posted by Bowtiesarecool

but, don't know how to google, "1967 Jaguar"?

I'm fearful. Will you please talk me through it?

[dParis]

Originally Posted by heycal

I'm fearful. Will you please talk me through it?

What are you afraid of? That you might stumble across a website for horny middle-aged Latinas?

[gavna]

Originally Posted by heycal

What are the differences? I was thinking of the one with two doors and a convertible.

2 + 2 - was a four seater with a second row of seats

Coupe - pure two seater

Rag top - its a convertible Coupe

My fab car would be a 2+2 XKE in British Racing Green - issue is you would two of the damn things (one to keep the 2nd one running). Damn fine looking cars

[heycal]

Originally Posted by gavna

2 + 2 - was a four seater with a second row of seats

Coupe - pure two seater

Rag top - its a convertible Coupe

Thanks. Is there a convertible 4 2x2 version?

Originally Posted by dParis

What are you afraid of? That you might stumble across a website for horny middle-aged Latinas?

This reads like it's intended to refer to something previously discussed, or is somehow specific to me. But I don't get it ether way. Explain yourself, dParis!

[pvaudio]

This thread is absurd. The XKE is a beautiful piece of design and that's about it. It was never fast, it never handled well and it never stopped well. In the 60s, magazines verified the 0-60 times of the 4.2 to be a bit over 7 seconds. However, it was later found that these test cars were specially set up by Jaguar themselves to give better than normal performance (I'm not joking, a quick google will verify this). Now while not exactly a b-road bomber, the 2012 Camaro is going to be faster, easier to drive, handle better, stop better and steer better. The E-type was never meant to be a legitimate sports car or roadster, it was a GT car.

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by Bowtiesarecool

European cars are designed for small, winding roads. Assuming drivers of equal skill, the 67 XKE would probably be able to keep up with the much larger and heavier new Camaro in your suburban street race scenario.

No, just no. Even if you're talking about the XKE, it is not a sports car. It is a GT car which rolls about in the corners. It was not a fantastic handling car.

[NLBwell]

Yeah, but the XKE was the coolest looking car ever.
British Racing Green, of course.

[Dedans Penthouse]

Originally Posted by LuckyR

Well if you are into gum snappers like DP, then I will defer to his expertise in this area but I prefer women who know quality.

lol, from whence did thou come to this conclusion Lucky? ...I'll have you know that outside of this board I'm called by my real name: Biff.

[Rgroves]

This has to be one of the strangest threads ever, but here goes.

As a car guy and someone who is involved in the racing industry, the modern Camaro wins without even a serious challenge. In fact a new Honda Odessy minivan wins without much of a fight. XKE is one of the best looking designs in history, period! However, 46 years of technology and tire development have completely eclipsed the older cars. In a way the old stuff is more "fun and charming" to drive but will not beat them in competition. Don't forget about the tires. Jaguar was meant to run on bias ply tires and even though the suspension was great in the '60's, the Camaro with 19" radials will dance around the Jag.

Here is a video from Top Gear testing an all original '65 Aston Martin and an XKE with upgraded tires and suspension. The Aston did it in 1:46 and the updated Jag was 1:32:8. The "Stars in a Reasonably Priced Car" go around that track in a '12 Kia C'eed in 1:43ish. Can't trump modern technology.

http://youtu.be/iwiO_bYe3Po